Seamaiden
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That's the thing, I'm not sure there is a consensus right now.Glad I stumbled upon this tread as I'm having these exact issues. I started noticing some Sour Dub duds a few mo back, then got the gg4 and they all turned out the be ditchweed, from there noticed some og's looked like they were mislabeled as the gg4s bc of the similar growth structure but they turned out ditch as well...A few other og strains dud here and there as well, even particular branches on the plant may me good while others are ditch...So what is the overall consensus, I still plan on reading through it but is it safe to say that it's an infection or disease that is caused from BM's or RA's?
yeah it is oddNot a dud-master, but internodal spacing is pretty sucky.
I am coming to wonder if this just happens to be a phenotype of GG. I've seen loads of cuts go out of them and this thread seems to always revolve around that strain.
I agreeI've long wondered when we would see something like what happened to the tulip market in cannabis.
https://www.damninteresting.com/nugget/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637/
With what I see in cannabis seed pricing and this problem specifically and all the apparent pollen chucking in progress it would seem inevitable. I think land-race seed banks would be a good idea.
no I feed the same from seed to chopAll other things being equal - I assume you changed nothing else.
The greening you mention and growth burst almost smells like early symptoms of too plentiful N somehow.
I have read that that is a classic trait in the gg4. Just something I've read a couple times and seen on the inter webs.Thanks for your feedback bro!
Oh the one on the left is the healthy ( non dudding) plant. I have never ran the gg4 without any twisting of the leaves at some point of the grow. Have u ran the gg4 before Wisher619?
Thanks Cap for the info. Where did you source the chitosan. Thanks.It's been a long time since I originally posted in this thread. I have spent the past couple nights reading the entire thing.
2 years ago I received a cut from Canada that brought "duds" to my garden. I had GG4 a year before this and many other cuts and NEVER had a problem until this shitty cut made it's way in. I had never grown this particular strain, and it was a real bitch to root and grew like shit. I finally got a tester in to a bed. Well, that plant was a dud and in that same bed there were 7 other plants. Two of them had branches that dudded. Figured it was some weird random shit. Like an idiot I took soil from those beds and potted up other plants, that eventually found their way to other beds... and pretty soon it was a plant here, a plant there, a half a bed here, a full bed there...
I think it is important to note that a lot of people in this thread think they have duds, but they do not.
Dud symptoms are:
-Brittle stems (easiest way to identify-Shorter node spacing
-smaller fan leaves
-lateral branching
-Terrible trich production on fluffier, hairier buds
Variegation is not really a symptom of "dud", neither is leaf twisting, or crispy leaves, or nutrient deficiencies...
In my opinion, the culprit is stem nematodes. I successfully identified them in my garden thanks to people like @whatthe215, except I could not find them with his method. I instead used a pair of vice grips to crush a section of trunk while dripping a little water over the crushed part and on to a slide. This is a much better way to find them.
Here is a video I made of them:
After identifying them, I purchased a professional steamer (didn't work) and ultimately a large water heater to soak the soil with 160* water between runs (worked like a charm). I also added chitosan at 1/2 gram per gallon weekly, and lots of foliar and root pack.
Hot water fucks them up bigtime. I no longer have dud plants.
High temps in the room will also cause dudded flowers, especially on OG's. I think that if you see dudded flowers, try dropping temps to 71-74 for the whole grow and see if the strain still duds out... Dudded flowers are not the same as dudded plants. Dudded plants can be saved if you always take a healthy top for a cut, and continue to cull duds (you will become an expert at identifying them) and take healthy tops for a good long while. IME the nematodes have a hard time getting all the way to the tops. It really is a race against time though. You have to pull a cut before the plant is a full blown dud. Once it is full blown just toss it. I have cloned out of dudded FPOG, GG4, white bubba, Jew Gold, Wifi 43... so it is possible.
I now have a dud free operation and have had several successful runs of nortorious dudders (gg4, Jew Gold, etc). Be diligent and you can beat it. I have had it all, and not once have I scrapped a whole grow. Everything can be beaten, and kept away with a good IPM strategy.
Peace out and happy growing,
Cap
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