HPS light superior vs current led tech?

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This is Our LED Light not a HPS, it was for Ace to see our PAR distrubution. Our lights cost 1/3 of the HLG so its a budget *solution* using SMD.
I agree an extreme downside to hlg is the price.

I'm going to buy a Chinese QB equivalent to HLG 550 for next grow.

and then will have . Hps. Qb. Blurple. And cob all doing the same strain.
Then we will see
 
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Look, all the charts and claims in the world do not prove to me, or justify me spending three hundred to over a thousand dollars, buying something that I will have to replace within two years. I am no fool with my money. When LED's out perform HPS in cost, in yield and in energy, I will be the first person in line for it, WITH BELLS ON, until then, no sale. I am getting buds the size of my fist with this lamp, I was not getting close to that with my LED.
 
I agree an extreme downside to hlg is the price.

I'm going to buy a Chinese QB equivalent to HLG 550 for next grow.

and then will have . Hps. Qb. Blurple. And cob all doing the same strain.
Then we will see
Just be carefull we work with a chinese manucfacture, and they might cheat you on the LEDs

But there are many good cheap alternatives to a lm301b/LM561c chip from china, justmake sure you get something very efficient
 
Look, all the charts and claims in the world do not prove to me, or justify me spending three hundred to over a thousand dollars, buying something that I will have to replace within two years. I am no fool with my money. When LED's out perform HPS in cost, in yield and in energy, I will be the first person in line for it, WITH BELLS ON, until then, no sale. I am getting buds the size of my fist with this lamp, I was not getting close to that with my LED.
Our new LEDs are sold in EU for 150$ - that would probably be 100$ in the US. (200W)
Not thousands.

Do we have expensive samsung chips aswell? Ofcurse, but these actually perform equal for alot less.

You can buy quality SMD LEDs from china, if you buy the correct ones cheap Sir
 
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Just be carefull we work with a chinese manucfacture, and they might cheat you on the LEDs

But there are many good cheap alternatives to a lm301b/LM561c chip from china, justmake sure you get something very efficient
Definately.
It's not a money issue. It's more of a mythbusters situation for me.
Alot of The boys on RIU dot org run Chinese qb from alibaba with great success but I still have to see it for myself to see if it's worth spending the more money.
 
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My 1 question is with LED's is take a 4x8 table or tent. Anyone pulling over 4lbs off 1 table/tent with LED's personally not someone claiming to be on a video? That has been a tried a true standard with HPS for a decade or more with old SE tech not even DE. Then take the cost. We are talking like 300-500 bucks to setup a 2k room for constant lbs for me buying used equip hell even new I would tack on another maybe 200 bucks for 2k. Lets also not gloss over the fact that if you build your HPS ballast like people who build their LED setups you start talking stupid cheap. I'm not saying they aren't comparable. I'm saying that I hear how they are comparable, and people always argue how they are comparable or even better, but I hardly have ever actually seen it. Now is the time. Lets see it. If the cost was cheaper then I would be on board (see what I did there) but at the current price I would always just go strait to 315's without much thought. I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing.

Listen this isn't someone pissing in your pool. Don't get all twisted and think you are getting called out. This is a conversation. Just throw it up for a comparison. Larger scale stuff. I've been on the fence to throw them in one of my rooms and give them a whirl for a year or 2. I just haven't been convinced enough to do so yet whether its yield or the quality of the finished product vs cost. @Burned Haze & @sixstring are about the only dudes I have seen doing it at that scale and hitting numbers and quality but they both have a serious investment into the equipment where initial cost wasn't really a factor which I respect. I think newer growers sometimes get steered in the wrong direction by everyones claims as you have seen from some people above but everyone is different. It's not like LED's are blowing HPS out of the water yet where there is no comparison. And we are talking old old tech vs tech that in maybe the last 4 years has finally caught up hence why the price is still so high. Why HPS is still a good option since its so cheap. Be real if you talk about getting the Chinese knockoff's and some are good do you not think they also make HPS stuff for cheap? Let's also not discount the STRAIT UP lies and misinformation the LED people pushed for years (and still are which is why we see at least 1 thread a day about this ) when the tech wasnt there and how many people got strait up ripped for trying to be an early adopter. If you have been around we all knew people who bought $2k UFO's that pulled the same as a 400w HPS. Buying/building a 1k HPS ballast will give you a 1k light no matter what. Hell even consider a $30 knock off bulb vs a $60-120 hortilux. The yield difference is small since the tech has been around so long and copied we are in a good spot.

I just wish more people would look at everything else in their grows the same way they go over and over with the lights dealing with spectrum, cost, heat ect with something like nutes that will be a bigger cost in the long run for them but strangely you get preaching about LED's and then they use 9 bottles of Advanced or running the full Canna or H&G line and make weekly trips to a hydro shop. Makes people like me scratch their heads.
 
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My 1 question is with LED's is take a 4x8 table or tent. Anyone pulling over 4lbs off 1 table/tent with LED's personally not someone claiming to be on a video? That has been a tried a true standard with HPS for a decade or more with old SE tech not even DE. Then take the cost. We are talking like 300-500 bucks to setup a 2k room for constant lbs for me buying used equip hell even new I would tack on another maybe 200 bucks for 2k. Lets also not gloss over the fact that if you build your HPS ballast like people who build their LED setups you start talking stupid cheap. I'm not saying they aren't comparable. I'm saying that I hear how they are comparable, and people always argue how they are comparable or even better, but I hardly have ever actually seen it. Now is the time. Lets see it. If the cost was cheaper then I would be on board (see what I did there) but at the current price I would always just go strait to 315's without much thought. I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing.

Listen this isn't someone pissing in your pool. Don't get all twisted and think you are getting called out. This is a conversation. Just throw it up for a comparison. Larger scale stuff. I've been on the fence to throw them in one of my rooms and give them a whirl for a year or 2. I just haven't been convinced enough to do so yet whether its yield or the quality of the finished product vs cost. @Burned Haze & @sixstring are about the only dudes I have seen doing it at that scale and hitting numbers and quality but they both have a serious investment into the equipment where initial cost wasn't really a factor which I respect. I think newer growers sometimes get steered in the wrong direction by everyones claims as you have seen from some people above but everyone is different. It's not like LED's are blowing HPS out of the water yet where there is no comparison. And we are talking old old tech vs tech that in maybe the last 4 years has finally caught up hence why the price is still so high. Why HPS is still a good option since its so cheap. Be real if you talk about getting the Chinese knockoff's and some are good do you not think they also make HPS stuff for cheap? Let's also not discount the STRAIT UP lies and misinformation the LED people pushed for years (and still are which is why we see at least 1 thread a day about this ) when the tech wasnt there and how many people got strait up ripped for trying to be an early adopter. If you have been around we all knew people who bought $2k UFO's that pulled the same as a 400w HPS. Buying/building a 1k HPS ballast will give you a 1k light no matter what. Hell even consider a $30 knock off bulb vs a $60-120 hortilux. The yield difference is small since the tech has been around so long and copied we are in a good spot.

I just wish more people would look at everything else in their grows the same way they go over and over with the lights dealing with spectrum, cost, heat ect with something like nutes that will be a bigger cost in the long run for them but strangely you get preaching about LED's and then they use 9 bottles of Advanced or running the full Canna or H&G line and make weekly trips to a hydro shop. Makes people like me scratch their heads.
Well said!
 
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I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing
Cobs are led chips in high density grouped together.

Quantum boards are the same tech spread across a panel. If their doing it with cobs. They doing it with qbs.

A chinese version of the hlg 550 costs the same for me as a 315 sunsystem cmh fixture.

500 bucks for each.

A diy version of the qb costs the same as a sunsystem 315 cmh

Not to mention Philip's 4100k bulb costs 100 bucks I'd have to replace every grow or second grow.

I'm in canada. So yes prices are diff. That said I'd rather have a 315 watt lec over a 480 watt quantum. In terms of everything other than coverage.
 
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Cobs are led chips in high density grouped together.

Quantum boards are the same tech spread across a panel. If their doing it with cobs. They doing it with qbs.

A chinese version of the hlg 550 costs the same for me as a 315 sunsystem cmh fixture.

500 bucks for each.

A diy version of the qb costs the same as a sunsystem 315 cmh

Not to mention Philip's 4100k bulb costs 100 bucks I'd have to replace every grow or second grow.

I'm in canada. So yes prices are diff. That said I'd rather have a 315 watt lec over a 480 watt quantum. In terms of everything other than coverage.

Phillips bulbs claim 90% output for up to 2 years with the square wave ballast. Honestly i think mine started going bad after a year. With hortilux super hps 600 i can get about 9 months before growth suffers.
 
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My 1 question is with LED's is take a 4x8 table or tent. Anyone pulling over 4lbs off 1 table/tent with LED's personally not someone claiming to be on a video? That has been a tried a true standard with HPS for a decade or more with old SE tech not even DE. Then take the cost. We are talking like 300-500 bucks to setup a 2k room for constant lbs for me buying used equip hell even new I would tack on another maybe 200 bucks for 2k. Lets also not gloss over the fact that if you build your HPS ballast like people who build their LED setups you start talking stupid cheap. I'm not saying they aren't comparable. I'm saying that I hear how they are comparable, and people always argue how they are comparable or even better, but I hardly have ever actually seen it. Now is the time. Lets see it. If the cost was cheaper then I would be on board (see what I did there) but at the current price I would always just go strait to 315's without much thought. I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing.

Listen this isn't someone pissing in your pool. Don't get all twisted and think you are getting called out. This is a conversation. Just throw it up for a comparison. Larger scale stuff. I've been on the fence to throw them in one of my rooms and give them a whirl for a year or 2. I just haven't been convinced enough to do so yet whether its yield or the quality of the finished product vs cost. @Burned Haze & @sixstring are about the only dudes I have seen doing it at that scale and hitting numbers and quality but they both have a serious investment into the equipment where initial cost wasn't really a factor which I respect. I think newer growers sometimes get steered in the wrong direction by everyones claims as you have seen from some people above but everyone is different. It's not like LED's are blowing HPS out of the water yet where there is no comparison. And we are talking old old tech vs tech that in maybe the last 4 years has finally caught up hence why the price is still so high. Why HPS is still a good option since its so cheap. Be real if you talk about getting the Chinese knockoff's and some are good do you not think they also make HPS stuff for cheap? Let's also not discount the STRAIT UP lies and misinformation the LED people pushed for years (and still are which is why we see at least 1 thread a day about this ) when the tech wasnt there and how many people got strait up ripped for trying to be an early adopter. If you have been around we all knew people who bought $2k UFO's that pulled the same as a 400w HPS. Buying/building a 1k HPS ballast will give you a 1k light no matter what. Hell even consider a $30 knock off bulb vs a $60-120 hortilux. The yield difference is small since the tech has been around so long and copied we are in a good spot.

I just wish more people would look at everything else in their grows the same way they go over and over with the lights dealing with spectrum, cost, heat ect with something like nutes that will be a bigger cost in the long run for them but strangely you get preaching about LED's and then they use 9 bottles of Advanced or running the full Canna or H&G line and make weekly trips to a hydro shop. Makes people like me scratch their heads.
Dude, ya took the words out of my mouth.
 
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Our new LEDs are sold in EU for 150$ - that would probably be 100$ in the US. (200W)
Not thousands.

Do we have expensive samsung chips aswell? Ofcurse, but these actually perform equal for alot less.

You can buy quality SMD LEDs from china, if you buy the correct ones cheap Sir
I have 400 watts for for 125 dollars(American), Chinese quality is poor and do not like their business practices.
 

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