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Link please?
It's a Chinese Light we just costumized with brigelux 3030 SMD LED Sir
Link please?
It's a Chinese Light we just costumized with brigelux 3030 SMD LED Sir
Cobs are led chips in high density grouped together.
Quantum boards are the same tech spread across a panel. If their doing it with cobs. They doing it with qbs.
A chinese version of the hlg 550 costs the same for me as a 315 sunsystem cmh fixture.
500 bucks for each.
A diy version of the qb costs the same as a sunsystem 315 cmh
Not to mention Philip's 4100k bulb costs 100 bucks I'd have to replace every grow or second grow.
I'm in canada. So yes prices are diff. That said I'd rather have a 315 watt lec over a 480 watt quantum. In terms of everything other than coverage.
still nothing?
My 1 question is with LED's is take a 4x8 table or tent. Anyone pulling over 4lbs off 1 table/tent with LED's personally not someone claiming to be on a video? That has been a tried a true standard with HPS for a decade or more with old SE tech not even DE. Then take the cost. We are talking like 300-500 bucks to setup a 2k room for constant lbs for me buying used equip hell even new I would tack on another maybe 200 bucks for 2k. Lets also not gloss over the fact that if you build your HPS ballast like people who build their LED setups you start talking stupid cheap. I'm not saying they aren't comparable. I'm saying that I hear how they are comparable, and people always argue how they are comparable or even better, but I hardly have ever actually seen it. Now is the time. Lets see it. If the cost was cheaper then I would be on board (see what I did there) but at the current price I would always just go strait to 315's without much thought. I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing.
Listen this isn't someone pissing in your pool. Don't get all twisted and think you are getting called out. This is a conversation. Just throw it up for a comparison. Larger scale stuff. I've been on the fence to throw them in one of my rooms and give them a whirl for a year or 2. I just haven't been convinced enough to do so yet whether its yield or the quality of the finished product vs cost. @Burned Haze & @sixstring are about the only dudes I have seen doing it at that scale and hitting numbers and quality but they both have a serious investment into the equipment where initial cost wasn't really a factor which I respect. I think newer growers sometimes get steered in the wrong direction by everyones claims as you have seen from some people above but everyone is different. It's not like LED's are blowing HPS out of the water yet where there is no comparison. And we are talking old old tech vs tech that in maybe the last 4 years has finally caught up hence why the price is still so high. Why HPS is still a good option since its so cheap. Be real if you talk about getting the Chinese knockoff's and some are good do you not think they also make HPS stuff for cheap? Let's also not discount the STRAIT UP lies and misinformation the LED people pushed for years (and still are which is why we see at least 1 thread a day about this ) when the tech wasnt there and how many people got strait up ripped for trying to be an early adopter. If you have been around we all knew people who bought $2k UFO's that pulled the same as a 400w HPS. Buying/building a 1k HPS ballast will give you a 1k light no matter what. Hell even consider a $30 knock off bulb vs a $60-120 hortilux. The yield difference is small since the tech has been around so long and copied we are in a good spot.
I just wish more people would look at everything else in their grows the same way they go over and over with the lights dealing with spectrum, cost, heat ect with something like nutes that will be a bigger cost in the long run for them but strangely you get preaching about LED's and then they use 9 bottles of Advanced or running the full Canna or H&G line and make weekly trips to a hydro shop. Makes people like me scratch their heads.
I have 400 watts for for 125 dollars(American), Chinese quality is poor and do not like their business practices.Our new LEDs are sold in EU for 150$ - that would probably be 100$ in the US. (200W)
Not thousands.
Do we have expensive samsung chips aswell? Ofcurse, but these actually perform equal for alot less.
You can buy quality SMD LEDs from china, if you buy the correct ones cheap Sir
All this is why I actually bought a par meter. Lol. At least the manufacture of my led was very close to the advertised numbers.
I would have to run a 1000w hps in my little 3x3 to equal the led I have now. It uses 250w. It doesn't heat the tent up more than 3c, it was $120 Canadian and it has a 2 year warranty. I can't wait to scrog with it.
If I say Chinese cut corners on their products, that makes me business savvy not a bigot, Now all day you have said you are not in one camp or another. You are obviously in the LED camp, second all you have done is make unsubstantiated claims that mirror most LED sites, you say these are facts, then someone else said that quantum boards haven't even been out for five years, truth is, quick conclusion based on data, non applied data, that actually is theory, of course embellished and exaggerated, with no absolute actual proven data. So the breakdown, Asia has the market in electronics, sure, do they make high quality products, sometimes. In the end, I do not understand why you would imply something as horrible as you just did, it is bigoted, and disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.Samsung asian.
And make the best chips available besides the German osram.
95% of everything you buy has a Chinese built board in it stud.
And a 3 or 5 year warranty is the same in chinese world as it is american world.
When building a gaming rig you want the 2080ti built with samsung dies. As it outperforms and outlast all other graphics cards using different die.
Samsung may be asian. But they are the fucking beezneeze. Alot of Chinese cob and led manufactures use samsung top bin chips.
It's well known asian countries make the best electronics and have some of the most advanced tech.
Optic 8 dude grew 2.4 lbs dry off one light. It's an american company with Chinese parts.
Do you think all African americans eat chicken and watermelon for breakfast lunch and dinner as well?
What claims specifically has he said? Because I don’t see him trying to say a 600 w amazon light can replace a 1000w hps and that’s what your acting like he’s saying. and no saying leds don’t hold anything up against hps is pure biased opinion no matter how you look at itIf I say Chinese cut corners on their products, that makes me business savvy not a bigot, Now all day you have said you are not in one camp or another. You are obviously in the LED camp, second all you have done is make unsubstantiated claims that mirror most LED sites, you say these are facts, then someone else said that quantum boards haven't even been out for five years, truth is, quick conclusion based on data, non applied data, that actually is theory, of course embellished and exaggerated, with no absolute actual proven data. So the breakdown, Asia has the market in electronics, sure, do they make high quality products, sometimes. In the end, I do not understand why you would imply something as horrible as you just did, it is bigoted, and disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
While i agree. I also have to say compare how many new LED's that are viable to achieve this and the number of people growing in those size setups using these LED's compared to HPS. There just aren't the number of quality growers of that size using them to see the volume that most HPS growers will accept to make the change. Its been done as you stated which means it is possible there are just not as many people doing yet as HPS growers. Its a big investment right now but the prices are coming down and IMHO the culture will eventually shift to LED.My 1 question is with LED's is take a 4x8 table or tent. Anyone pulling over 4lbs off 1 table/tent with LED's personally not someone claiming to be on a video? That has been a tried a true standard with HPS for a decade or more with old SE tech not even DE. Then take the cost. We are talking like 300-500 bucks to setup a 2k room for constant lbs for me buying used equip hell even new I would tack on another maybe 200 bucks for 2k. Lets also not gloss over the fact that if you build your HPS ballast like people who build their LED setups you start talking stupid cheap. I'm not saying they aren't comparable. I'm saying that I hear how they are comparable, and people always argue how they are comparable or even better, but I hardly have ever actually seen it. Now is the time. Lets see it. If the cost was cheaper then I would be on board (see what I did there) but at the current price I would always just go strait to 315's without much thought. I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing.
Listen this isn't someone pissing in your pool. Don't get all twisted and think you are getting called out. This is a conversation. Just throw it up for a comparison. Larger scale stuff. I've been on the fence to throw them in one of my rooms and give them a whirl for a year or 2. I just haven't been convinced enough to do so yet whether its yield or the quality of the finished product vs cost. @Burned Haze & @sixstring are about the only dudes I have seen doing it at that scale and hitting numbers and quality but they both have a serious investment into the equipment where initial cost wasn't really a factor which I respect. I think newer growers sometimes get steered in the wrong direction by everyones claims as you have seen from some people above but everyone is different. It's not like LED's are blowing HPS out of the water yet where there is no comparison. And we are talking old old tech vs tech that in maybe the last 4 years has finally caught up hence why the price is still so high. Why HPS is still a good option since its so cheap. Be real if you talk about getting the Chinese knockoff's and some are good do you not think they also make HPS stuff for cheap? Let's also not discount the STRAIT UP lies and misinformation the LED people pushed for years (and still are which is why we see at least 1 thread a day about this ) when the tech wasnt there and how many people got strait up ripped for trying to be an early adopter. If you have been around we all knew people who bought $2k UFO's that pulled the same as a 400w HPS. Buying/building a 1k HPS ballast will give you a 1k light no matter what. Hell even consider a $30 knock off bulb vs a $60-120 hortilux. The yield difference is small since the tech has been around so long and copied we are in a good spot.
I just wish more people would look at everything else in their grows the same way they go over and over with the lights dealing with spectrum, cost, heat ect with something like nutes that will be a bigger cost in the long run for them but strangely you get preaching about LED's and then they use 9 bottles of Advanced or running the full Canna or H&G line and make weekly trips to a hydro shop. Makes people like me scratch their heads.
Well said man, I fully agree. Youd have to be totally ignorant to think LED doesnt have the potential, it clearly does. Any grower who isnt open to new tech will be left in the dust when it becomes mainstream.Time will tell. I believe that there are LEDs that already will out perform HID but can I prove this...nope at least not right now. Does that mean there aren't...nope. Can anyone prove that none of the current LEDs cannot outperform HID... nope.
We are arguing over something that just doesn't have enough info on either side to determine yet.
I'm not talking in terms of garbage LEDs only the top ones showing very promising results.... SO FAR.
Amen brotherWell said man, I fully agree. Youd have to be totally ignorant to think LED doesnt have the potential, it clearly does. Any grower who isnt open to new tech will be left in the dust when it becomes mainstream.
But right now, as far as I can tell each system has its benefits under certain conditions and variables. The only truth I think is HID is a guarantee, control your environment and it will grow deadly pot. LED... I dont even know where to start. Some seem to work great, but a lot of them wont do what I need them to, and the ones that will are out there I'm sure, but the name brands are pricey as hell and the knockoffs are just that, can you really trust a knockoff yet? I dont know.
I also think that the size of your grow makes a difference, I'm yet to see where an LED setup can match what an 80 light HID setup can do. But in a tent LED doesnt seem bad... I dont know. I'm not convinced to ditch my HID. It fits my needs very affordably, and its brainless.
I have LEDSeem
I love how you try to make it seem like you know more than you do. First off sounds like your selling something, LED's right now do not last five years, maybe two years at most. When an LED breaks down, whether it is cob or blurple, you have to replace it. Yammering out numbers and saying it is fact just does not fly with me. More so DIY companies are financially conning people out of money for the purpose of flying the flag, Hey bro, what company you work for? More so, you talk well , your sales pitch sucks though.
i have 2 aquarium LED lights, one is over 5 years and the other is going on 3 years.Does my aquarium planted tank light count? I'm using for my mother's in dirt. If so then yes 6yrs old still working like a champ.
I don't think people have felt the led tech was there yet until a few years ago it's still relatively new so you probably won't find much on that right now. However I don't think that takes away from where the tech is at this moment. I'm talking about the quality units/kits.
With a lot of the cobs and QB's it's just as easy to replace let's just says bulbs as HID only the long run costs for this with led will be much lower. I mean we have LED's in one of the plants that are over 5 years no replacement s have been done on bulbs. It's easy to see though other applications they stand the test of time. However the quality of components and using properly rated components will greatly affect the life expectancy.