Killing Autoflowers and Learning to Grow Organically :p

[ajgrows]

And yeah, don't bother reading through my entire thread unless you want to witness a man changing his mind from page to page, heh.

Haha, you and me both!

 

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Bollocks

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

No comment.

 

[ajgrows]

No comment.

Yep you were right. I gave it a cup of water after I snapped the video and it's gone full face plant. I'll keep watering it like you suggested last time and see where it goes.

 

[ajgrows]

I've been searching more for anything that remotely resembles what's happening to my seedlings and still can't seem to turn up similar results. I think the lack of water is definitely part of the problem, but not entirely. I believe if it was solely water then the soak around day 7 should revive the plants. I'm experiencing the exact opposite. A horrible death

The one thing I haven't changed in my first attempts has been the light intensity. The "healthy" photo in this post was taken less than 12 hours before #3 gave up the fight. Given the way the leaves looked, and that I was targeting the high side of PPFD range with no diffusing method on the Photone app, leads me to believe that could be a big contributor to killing them off. I've backed the light down even further, to around 225 µmols and am just going to keep it here and see how Hank responds. #3 is probably never coming back from the grave but I'm keeping her planted just to experiment with some more watering. Even if it does somehow turn around, I'd expect an abysmal yield.

HANK | DAY 1

The top 3/4" of the medium is already dry. I gave it a little squirt w/ this nifty...squirter and put a dome on.

Do your thing gurl.

 

[Schwer]

That was some serious light intensity. Glad you were able to sort that part out.

Keeping my fingers crossed for Hank the Tank, but also preparing a coffin because I'm a practical man.

 

[ajgrows]

Keeping my fingers crossed for Hank the Tank, but also preparing a coffin because I'm a practical man.

I should buy coffins in bulk at this point

 

[ajgrows]

Man nature is so cool. Idk what kind of moth this is, but the symmetry is awesome. It probably listens to some hardcore metal

This little dude was stuck in a spider web so I helped it over to the potted patio plants. I wish I could get my tent plants far enough along to put some ladybugs in with them lol

 

[PauliBhoy]

Idk what kind of moth this is, but the symmetry is awesome.

Hate to break it to you, but that looks a lot like the adult form of a budworm. If you kill caterpillars you find on your plants, kill the moths too

I wish I could get my tent plants far enough along to put some ladybugs in with them lol

Have you ever tried that before? If you put mature ladybugs in there they will all fly up to the light and die. If you have an aphid problem that you want to treat with beneficial insects, get some ladybug larvae; they are far more voracious predators at that stage and, most importantly, they lack wings for up to 2 weeks! Unless you have a major infestation they will probably starve to death before they can pupate anyway.

 

[ajgrows]

Hate to break it to you, but that looks a lot like the adult form of a budworm. If you kill caterpillars you find on your plants, kill the moths too

Have you ever tried that before? If you put mature ladybugs in there they will all fly up to the light and die. If you have an aphid problem that you want to treat with beneficial insects, get some ladybug larvae; they are far more voracious predators at that stage and, most importantly, they lack wings for up to 2 weeks! Unless you have a major infestation they will probably starve to death before they can pupate anyway.

Not a big deal, but I appreciate the info! Actually a quick google search returns that it appears to be a tiger moth. Pretty cool that this species has been around for 250 years. I just have a few philodendron that have been relegated to the back porch. The rest is on the wife lol.

Nope, haven't had a plant make it far enough to need to treat predators. I certainly don't want to kill any innocent bystanders, I just like watching them in other people's grow videos

 

[AZsunfarmer]

So Hank is the one where you did a full soak on your 5 gal bucket, you let it sit a few days and then planted? You’re gold bro! Put a little dome or something over it until it sprouts to keep that top layer humid and moist. Once it pops there’s enough water in that pot for weeks! Go on vacation so you let not around to water them

speaking of a predators I just pulled domes off 2 outdoor autos that just sprouted and the next night a fucking mouse ate them. RIP frankster beans. All that’s left is a husk. I’m going full traps tonight to kill every one. I am beyond pissed off.

 

[ajgrows]

So Hank is the one where you did a full soak on your 5 gal bucket, you let it sit a few days and then planted? You’re gold bro! Put a little dome or something over it until it sprouts to keep that top layer humid and moist. Once it pops there’s enough water in that pot for weeks! Go on vacation so you let not around to water them

Yeah, only a 1/2 gal of water then the pot sat for 24ish hours. I did just dome and water a little actually

speaking of a predators I just pulled domes off 2 outdoor autos that just sprouted and the next night a fucking mouse ate them. RIP frankster beans. All that’s left is a husk. I’m going full traps tonight to kill every one. I am beyond pissed off.

Damn that sucks mang

 

[ajgrows]

I was hoping Hank might show herself today but still no sign yet. I gave her a quick squirt of water to keep the medium moist.

Yesterday I was talking w/ a neighbor during a late night sativa patio sesh, who also started growing his own meds and he got me finking about another Death Dealer possibility. He uses synthetic nutes and was rambling on ad nauseam about PPM and runoff and it dawned on me that maybe my basement water choice could be a problem. I've used water from this spigot in my basement for all four of my attempts, and I honestly don't know if this is the same quality as taking it from a sink on the finished level. This is inline with the feed to our sprinkler system, so I have wondered if it's shit water...literally. I've noticed after I aerate it and the water sits for 4-5 days in a 5gal bucket a film develops on the top and I don't know what it is or why it happens.

I've also come to accept that maybe I'm struggling with too little plant and too much pot. So I've ordered up some seedling pots and a heat map strip to try starting them in smaller containers. #5....Lola, will start with fresh aerated water from the kitchen sink via the paper towel method this week and we will see if that has any impact on reducing the mortality rate of these poor beeches.

Deuces

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

We filter our water because its nasty to taste. If I won't drink it, I'm not gonna make my plants drink it.
All filtering does it clean the water. It does not adjust pH or anything else except moisture levels.

 

[ajgrows]

It does not adjust pH or anything else except moisture levels.

Yeah. I pH the mystery water and use air stones to dechlorinate but nothing beyond that.

 

[ajgrows]

HANK | REAL DAY 1 | 75°, RH 51%, PPFD 260µmols, 1/4C water

Nothing special to report, Hank's awake after 4 days of germ. She knows what the future holds, popped out rockin a busket head

 

[Schwer]

We're all here cheering for you, Hank. Its a miserable world out there - one that's sometimes way too wet, other times too dry - but if you're the woman we all think you are you will succeed where the others have failed and bring this poor bastard to the promised land.

Oh, but I bought you this just in case

 

[PauliBhoy]

Pretty cool that this species has been around for 250 years

I'm pretty sure it has been around for much longer! Are you saying someone first documented it 250 years ago?

But know that Rothschild et al (1977) found that the tiger moth did feed on Cannabis and actually preferred high THC varieties to low-THC hemp even if it killed them

Rothschild M., M.R. Rowan and J.W. Fairbairn, 1977. Storage of cannabinoids by Arctia caja and Zonocerus elegans fed on chemically distinct strains of Cannabis sativa. Nature 266:650-651.

 

[ajgrows]

I'm pretty sure it has been around for much longer! Are you saying someone first documented it 250 years ago?

Oh snaps! No I think I actually pulled up the very official and never wrong Wikipedia page when I was searching. No way lol, ofc they like weed. I mean...I always try to get so high I can't feel my hands. Doesn't everyone?

 

[ajgrows]

HANK | DAY 2 | 75°, RH 49%, PPFD 260µmols, 0 water

Hank doubled in height since yesterday. I don't want to mess with the lights but I don't know what's a 'bad' stretch in a seedling. Observation will continue. I might have gotten away w/ watering again today, but I want the medium to dry out a bit more so I can give her more next time. Sorry for the photos. My skills be lackin'.

LOLA | GERM DAY 3 | 75°, RH 49%, PPFD 260µmols, 1/8C water

Lola spent a day in a shot glass then another 24ish hours in this sweet homemade germination chamber (or a coffin in my case? )



Now it's time to get her in some DIRT

Plain ol' Happy Frog and an 1/8 of a cup of water, just about an inch deep for the taproot. Also, beware of small children puking in your buskets. Obviously.

The pot is soaked after the watering so I put my engineering hat on and made this bottom air fed floating dome for her I have no idea if it will even serve it's purpose but that's what this diary is for. Making a crap ton of mistakes so future me will be smarter Next time maybe just use the Ziploc dummy.

Deuces!