I'll stir the pot a little with some old ass haze info I had in my old computer..
HAZE
"Purple haze was a strain from positronics .
Which is haze x purple#1 . Before that was no such thing as purple
haze . There was only haze from the haze brothers"
SamS,
What a crock, Positronics did not even have any Haze until I gave it to them after the mid 1980's. They crossed Haze with a local Pars Purple outdoor variety that was weak shit pot that had a nice color. FYI, Purple Haze was sold in the early 1970's by the Haze Brothers in Santa Cruz, I should know I smoked it back then every day for years....
BTW, some of the Purple Haze needed cold to turn purple, others did not need cold and were purple even if never cold. Purple Haze was pure Original Haze, and the purple color was not dominate, so easy to lose.
I also like the Silver Blue, and Lime Green Haze better then the Purple Haze, because they were more up, clear, and energetic in the high. But the Purple may have been the strongest Haze and got the top prices. It also looked great.
Did eneyone ever hear the band the Original Haze? Jerry Miller from the Moby Grape started the group in the 70's after smoking the Original Haze in Santa Cruz. He loved the Haze and bought a lot!!!-SamS
joellama,
The question is "i'm pretty sure the haze bros have kept a clone or two or original haze"
SamS,
First of all neither Haze Brother is still a grower, second they never made clones or used clones when they were growers. But if you are pretty sure then you must be right, even though you have never met the Haze brothers or smoked any of "their" Original Haze, have you?-SamS
The haze bros. gave birth to the strain that is the real purple haze. The columbian part of the haze was done by the haze bros. It is this original columbian pheno that came to be known as the purple haze. Their original haze was created by using several landraces: mexican, thai, Indian and columbian. This line was never stabilized by them, but passed on as seeds and eventually clones. wernard of positronics fame had two or three of the original clones and made seeds with them years ago. Among the clones he had, was the purple pheno or purple haze. nevil and Shantitaba also both posess the original haze line(haze bros) and are still working with them(although they only sell hybrids). Purple haze is still out there, either in seeds or clones. I know several people with seeds via the bros, but haven't seen the purple clone in several years. But I'm sure there are many others who hold their clone or seeds very close.
I think alot of the mixup on this strain and doubts have stemmed from songs and for the fact that many people call any purple weed, purple haze due to it's hype. Although, this makes it more difficult to verify for some and a myth like G13, there is still a real purple haze around. That being said, there are probably 5000 to 1 hybrids of the haze around compared to the original. This is for many reasons. easy of growth and finishing time being the most common. And this has not really diluted the line, just made it much harder for the average customer/grower to obtain, as many haven't preserved or sold their original, never crossed lines.
I also have to say, I find an African haze very hard to believe. I have grown pure sativas for close to thirty years, many being African, columbian, and thai. I have never once found an african sativa that even slightly resembled a pure haze. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ragging on you or anything, as it's possible you may hold the only african haze in your garden, and it's never seen the light of day or by anyone else for that matter. Just my personal
experience. take care GM
I passed on the Purple Haze from Positronics, but Posi was the source of my Haze pictured, Positronics "Original Haze". Their "Purple Haze" was a hybrid i believe w/maybe purple#1?. You'll have to check with Sam Skunkman as to what the other component in the Purple Haze was, he was doing the breeding for them at the time. What folks really want is the pure haze, but they just can't get that song out of their heads Best Regards,Tom
Hello all
it seems all of you are deeply moved by trying to prove some points here. Maybe I can try and clarify somethings for you.Nev and Sam worked on several things together at one stage in their careers. This meant there was shared work in seed and clone form. The Haze originals and the Skunk lines were two of these . The Haze bros were their original source of Haze in seed form. However after people begin working on seed from this point on only their particular versions of what they gave names to were based on their particular versions of that line. So of course differences will be manifest in breeding lines.
While Nev and I and Arjan joined forces Nev did his lines and I did for the GHSco selling our versions originally under the GHSco name. While Sam and Dave and others did their thing and in their versions (selection). The Sensi seed was originally Nev who supplied Ben with strains to sell in his shops. When Nev finished with Sensi like when Nev and I finished with GHSco we took our versions of the cup winning pedigrees away leaving only the strains that were owned jointly by the seed companies in question. What happened to the Haze and breeding programs at Sensi and GHSco neither Nev or I can be responsible for. What is clear is now at Mr Nice Seedbank the original versions of selected female and male plants that won all those cups with our old seed companies got a home together. What Sam
and the others did with their versions I and Nev can also not be sure. So if this helps clear up some of your myths I will be glad as I think that the proof is in the pudding. Grow out the versions and see for yourselves if you are still a skeptic...that is always my solution to curb all the bullshit that is floating in hot air.
All the best Shantibaba
There was also lots of 'Hazes' or 'Haze herb' so everyone might be right, as it was a generic termingology for being 'hazed' out, applied to the best herb...imho.
From the 50s there was great Mex and Colombian imports into the US, mostly small private importers i would assume. From the early 60s the communes in Cali where trying to grow/acclimatise some of these import genetics.
Haze was a generic name coined by them for these lines i think. As the seeds for many of these early grows would have been bag seed the name would have been chosen to fit, and what a perfect fit the name 'Haze' is for the Best S.American Sativas..but no one knows the varieties that went into any of these other lines. As prior to landraces being collected in the 60/70's there was only really seed from import, odd seeds here and there from mostly unknown strains. Collections of specific cultivars collected at source started in the 60s, and KIA4S one of the very first and all time greatest collectors..When the returnees from the early Nam excursions came home there was also Thai experience available, this from the mid to late 50's! Many of the Cali communes where growing and developing 'Haze' lines to fuel the rapidly expanding market in Cali. Nam returnees are recorded as saying they where 'Hazed' in the jungle in Thailand in the late 50s on great Thais. Special Ops returnees, in '56..The biggest suppliers at the time in Cali where also becoming highly organised and profficent growers to back up the imports and produce insitu in Cali..but they where also seeking out and bringing back the best herb from most corners of the great herb growing regions, South America and Asia particulary. It must have been a incredibly connisuer market in Cali at the time. So if the 'Origional Haze' was the best of these, ever, it must have been just as incredible and legendry as its described to be, i can believe it to be like a lick of Acid.
Only looks like a couple of these Haze lines have remained in pure forms. Albeit many times inbred from the origionals. The 'Origional Haze' marketed and developed by the Haze Bros was indeed the most famous, maybe because of its BOEL connection, the most expensive ever and last of the truly great 'Hazes', purely bred to feed that real old school hippy market who had been brought up on the absolute finest landrace Sativas from South America and Asia. So it must have been good.
Thanks to the Haze bros and KIA4s, BOEL etc we have the great legend of the 'Origional Haze', the one sold in Cali in the 70's with the posters, tshirts, etc, and proberly the best herb grown anywhere on earth at the time, but not the only Haze lines there where. They started breeding their Haze in 69/70 i think. KIA4S is 100% right as usual, the only 'Origional Haze' there is, is from the lines of the 'Haze Bros' of Santa Cruz, and thanks to him, the third Haze brother, its been shared with the world, the legendry Origional Haze, possibly the best herb grown anywhere on earth, ever! but not the only Haze.Just my take on it..Queijo
