MOAB, is it worth it?

[Snowblind]

Here is a 50 pound bag for $97.50....or Crop King sells it for $3.90 per pound. Very inexpensive and its 0-52-34.

 

[j wizzle]

It is not cheap, we have already been over this....

And prices:

Shooting powder 500g/54.95$
Moab 500g/40.25$
Grotek monsterbloom 500g/28.00$
Fox farm 3 part boosters 450g/25.95$
Koolbloom 450g/21.95$
Monopotassium phosphate 450g/2.05$

you know your shit, thats for sure. you have all the charts to back everything up and your gardens are immaculate.


but ill say this, it IS cheap. you might spend $10-20 (100gal res) per grow and it will pay for itself in the gains, i guarantee this. i swtiched from koolbloom and i noticed a big increase in yeild and bud size for sure.


i run it the 2nd and final 2 weeks of flower, it works. also run hammerhead.


it might not be as cheap as something youre buying, but its still pretty cheap overall and i have personally seen a big increase in my final yield.

 

[Venom818]

you know your shit, thats for sure. you have all the charts to back everything up and your gardens are immaculate.


but ill say this, it IS cheap. you might spend $10-20 (100gal res) per grow and it will pay for itself in the gains, i guarantee this. i swtiched from koolbloom and i noticed a big increase in yeild and bud size for sure.


i run it the 2nd and final 2 weeks of flower, it works. also run hammerhead.


it might not be as cheap as something youre buying, but its still pretty cheap overall and i have personally seen a big increase in my final yield.

have to agree here and if u have 1-2 k are you really going to buy 100 pounds of this shit LOL life time supply i guess

 

[j wizzle]

thats what im saying....what am i going to do with 10 lbs of this shit? im not growing 10,000 plants this year, so why would i want to have pounds of this just sitting around? ill never use it. if the $50 is keeping you from buying a simple booster, then you are in the wrong business....ill spend a total of $150/year on this running 10+ crops. i call that cheap

 

[Snowblind]

Crop king sells it by the pound too......
are you guys boosting with just moab or do you mix it on top of your base line nutes?

 

[j wizzle]

50% base nutes, with hammerhead. i run GH micro, bloom and botanicare cal mag as my base.

i run just the MOAB for 3-5 days before a 7-10 day flush. sometimes i take the flush a little longer depending on how the buds look.


desertsquirel knows what he is doing, he is a much better grower than i am. but this is what i do, it works great and i grow some dank for sure. desert squirel might be spending pennies, but im only spending dollars so its still pretty cheap if you ask me.

 

[Venom818]

Crop king sells it by the pound too......
are you guys boosting with just moab or do you mix it on top of your base line nutes?

50% base nute with 2ml of hammerhead per gallon

 

[JAHGYDI]

14 bucks and it last me 4 months. thats cheap as hell to me.

 

[desertsquirrel]

It just seems counter productive to choose a product that cost 2-3X more then the one next to it on the shelf while containing the same (or less) active ingredient...

But thanks a lot for the kind words.

 

[MendoCruz]

I'm not trying to take anything away from you Squirrel, but in the long run for folks who don't mind going to there local hydro shop and aren't crushing a 60 light, $40 for 500 gallons of mix isn't bad. I use it the last two week, 50% base.

 

[JayBee]

I'm not trying to take anything away from you Squirrel, but in the long run for folks who don't mind going to there local hydro shop and aren't crushing a 60 light, $40 for 500 gallons of mix isn't bad. I use it the last two week, 50% base.

Great point. Squirrels post are super helpful and I am subscribed to many of your threads, but it's not reasonable to expect everyone wants to mix their own nutes. It is always cheaper to buy in bulk and do the work yourself. Howe er some people would rather have others do the work for them and give some green paper in return. It would be much cheaper forme to redo the bathroom by myself but I am still going to call the plumber.

Jb

 

[tortuga1503]

Moab blows your buds up but can also steal flavor. I just experianced this with MOAB. I pushed it pretty hard but I can honestly say it doesn`t taste as good as it did w/out moab. bigger n heavier,yes

 

[desertsquirrel]

Grotek, Fox Farm, Maxi, etc are all on the same hydro store shelf that moab is, and are 2-5 times cheaper........

BTW thank you again.

 

[j wizzle]

Moab blows your buds up but can also steal flavor. I just experianced this with MOAB. I pushed it pretty hard but I can honestly say it doesn`t taste as good as it did w/out moab. bigger n heavier,yes

i didnt have this affect at all....actually the exact opposite. my buds are more flavorful than when i used koolbloom. i would say when you pushed it a little too hard is why your buds arent as flavorful. unless you used to go organic, then that would explain it. but i dont think it was the MOAB, i think it was your application. you NEED to lower your base nutes to at least 50%, or you will run into problems

Grotek, Fox Farm, Maxi, etc are all on the same hydro store shelf that moab is, and are 2-5 times cheaper........

BTW thank you again.

like ive said before, you are a scientific grow master and extremely knowledgable.....but when you say 2-5 times cheaper, its not really much of a savings when youre only spending $10/grow. if i save even $100 on a grow, its not really doing anything for me.

i personally believe if you are doing a 40 light setup, you are probably experienced enough to mix your own nutes. but when you have even just 10 lights, you arent going to save more than $50/grow mixing your own bloom booster.

MOAB DOES work, thats a fact. there is a reason a ton of good growers use it. you dont have to know PPM charts and uptake ratios to be a good grower, just have to know the basics of the plants you are growing.


obviously with the knowledge you have, you can take it to the next level. but you dont need a doctorate in botany to grow good dank either

 

[Snowblind]

You guys using bloom booster, what total ppm of N-P-K are running after applying the bloom booster? What ppm of P do you top out at?

Anybody?

 

[sfzoo]

^i'd be willing to bet most don't venture that deep into the nutrient solution and its components.

the idea is, when you're pumpin in concentrated doses of PK you're going to want to throttle back the base as to not overload the plant. No real science w/ this decision, just pragmatism.

I run my normal nutrient solution at ~1100ppm. When I add the MOAB and HH, i'm at ~500, sometimes 400ppm and end up w/ 1000ppm after the additions.

Precision with ppm does have value. But that value is not so apparent in our application. If you're topping out at x-ppms of P, and i'm a shade lower...well that's not going amount to much in yield difference.

Just ease up on the base is all. Try not to push too hard because you will get burns, calyx burn in my case.

 

[desertsquirrel]

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[desertsquirrel]

i didnt have this affect at all....actually the exact opposite. my buds are more flavorful than when i used koolbloom. i would say when you pushed it a little too hard is why your buds arent as flavorful. unless you used to go organic, then that would explain it. but i dont think it was the MOAB, i think it was your application. you NEED to lower your base nutes to at least 50%, or you will run into problems





like ive said before, you are a scientific grow master and extremely knowledgable.....but when you say 2-5 times cheaper, its not really much of a savings when youre only spending $10/grow. if i save even $100 on a grow, its not really doing anything for me.

i personally believe if you are doing a 40 light setup, you are probably experienced enough to mix your own nutes. but when you have even just 10 lights, you arent going to save more than $50/grow mixing your own bloom booster.

MOAB DOES work, thats a fact. there is a reason a ton of good growers use it. you dont have to know PPM charts and uptake ratios to be a good grower, just have to know the basics of the plants you are growing.


obviously with the knowledge you have, you can take it to the next level. but you dont need a doctorate in botany to grow good dank either

I question the motives of anyone telling anyone else to spend 2-5X more for the same ingredients.

Its non-sensical no matter what the size of your grow is or the experience of the grower.

 

[Snowblind]

^i'd be willing to bet most don't venture that deep into the nutrient solution and its components.

the idea is, when you're pumpin in concentrated doses of PK you're going to want to throttle back the base as to not overload the plant. No real science w/ this decision, just pragmatism.

I run my normal nutrient solution at ~1100ppm. When I add the MOAB and HH, i'm at ~500, sometimes 400ppm and end up w/ 1000ppm after the additions.

Precision with ppm does have value. But that value is not so apparent in our application. If you're topping out at x-ppms of P, and i'm a shade lower...well that's not going amount to much in yield difference.

Just ease up on the base is all. Try not to push too hard because you will get burns, calyx burn in my case.

Im asking because my base nute right now only has 13 or so total ppm of Phosphorus. I just want a target number. Im sure its not too high. I generally run 39 ppm of Phosphorus in my flower nutes.....im not used to this PK boosting.......

 

[phenotyper]

I keep trying to rep you DS, but I've given you too much lately. Agree completely. Also, those plants are beautiful!