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yep, Veg longer than 4 days, I was afraid the plants would be too big so I only vegged for 4days this time, a couple plants barely have any roots in the tubs at mid week three. I also had major heat issuse so i had to cooltube the room, which actually I really like, i dont know why people hate of cooltubes so much. I think I will still get a decent pull but more like .6gpw ish
also I do not like the rockwool. you cant just run drippers on the side or the rockwool dries out, if you put the drippers too close it stays too wet. I will be going back to coco pots, or I was thinking about buying another set of buckets and filling the buckets with growrocks up an inch higher than the water will sit once in the tubs, then cutting a a circle of coco from a coco mat and then filling the top with coco/perlite, that way I can get the roots big in the bucket then drop them in the tubs and watch the roots take off
dont worry about the rockwool drying out bro esp. if you have roots in the water. I put a dripper directly into my cube running 24/7 for the first 7 days after transplant. Once you have verified roots in water on all plants you can turn the drippers off if you like mate. Remember, rockwool can only hold so much water..... even when using drippers. The bad thing is when the rockwool is sitting in water, then it will flood out and cause problems.
dds
I think thats where I screwed up, I was trying to keep the cubes as dry as possible so the roots would go looking for water. then I realized healthy, well feed roots grow, not roots starved for water. thanks DD
I think next run I will make sure the roots are poking out the bottom of the buckets before i transplant because the growth rate once the roots hit the buckets is insane
great advice DD's, I've just started vegging using 6" cubes as I have a simlar system thats struggling, And found going straight in with 1" blocks to take too long in veg to get good results. The 6" blocks are impossible to over water (with drainage) and i find they drain so much better than 3 or 4" blocks, giving me a faster veg time and not having to worry a bout the transplant to a bucket.sounds like more bad advice from jalisco kid.
Here's what i have noticed bro, not sure why but it works everytime.
If i root in a 4 inch cube, put that on an ebb n flow table for 2 weeks then transplant to buckets i end up with a much smaller plant that if i did the exact same thing with a 6 inch cube. I have no idea why bro but it happens everytime. I have 11 gardens on the go from 10 plants to 130 plants so i can test new stuff all the time.
I am now changing my veg room to 2 x 4ft ebb n flow tables. One that i will be able to cover with vapour barrier so i can turn it into a propagator. I want to be able to root directly into 6x6x6 inch grodan cubes and that takes space. I can then put 15 on each table under 1000's for there 2 week veg period and each cutting has plenty of room to stretch out there branches.
i tried the vegging in buckets last time, the pics i showed. When i put them into my mpb system i went straight to 12/12 and it didnt work out so well. The same room that had 42 pounds/10 plants, this time had 31 for 10 plants. I would say they shocked a little bit and it hurt my yield when i went straight to 12/12.
a few tidbits bro, hope they help
dds
How high up do you set the cube? Is it 2-3 inches of hydroton then the cube covered in hydroton?
great advice DD's, I've just started vegging using 6" cubes as I have a simlar system thats struggling, And found going straight in with 1" blocks to take too long in veg to get good results. The 6" blocks are impossible to over water (with drainage) and i find they drain so much better than 3 or 4" blocks, giving me a faster veg time and not having to worry a bout the transplant to a bucket.
peace
BL
So interesting ,and i really like hearing about differences because that shows that actual testing has been done.
My next run is vegged in the lava net pots from 1.5" rw cubes put in coco.
They are growing great...but we'll see on the transplant.
I still have whack of 6" cubes and as much as i hate em i will do what in the end will work better.
The flood and drain i got root problems the only time i tried it but that was without the chiller so hope fully that was the prob.
i like the cloning in 6" cubes idea if it works because then they are off to the races.
glad to know you are still experimenting because we sure are..
why 2ft x 4ft table instead of one 4ft under a 1k?
and yes i'd put plastic over mine if i did that..i find i need 100%RH to get a good take on my clones.
i'd sure prefer flood and drain over the veg/emitter hose i have now
still, things have been way worse
I'm currently vegging my clones in 3 gallon black buckets, top feed. I'll be taking them to flower at around 3 feet.
Is the general consensus is that you should still veg them in the mpb tubs for a few days for the plants to form more roots and to adjust to the lights?
dd,
-I have followed your flowering system almost almost to the t..For my veg room i root in 1" cubes and transfer to 3" x 3" cubes for 5 days under 400mh the transplanted everything to a 4' x 6' table with 2000mh and 10 inch netpots filled with hydroton with the cube in the top 20% of the netpot and dripeed for 24'7 for 4 weeks..
-Correct me if I am wrong you suggest vegging in the 6" x 6" cubes for a better veg but to also avoid lumen shock..
-I plan on running a 24 k flip so I will not be able to veg in my big room to avoid the lumen shock, so i was planning on starting with 8 lights and then 2 days later another 8 and then 2 days later the final 8 then start the co2..Will this help with the lumen shock???
-or I could cut the veg plant back a little bit, that seems to help with the lumen shock..
yes, exactly !!
now imagine rooting in the 6 inch cubes, no transplant shock from cut to cube either.
thanks much dds
my pictures clearly show the 6 inch cubes work bro. Somthing that i slacked on bro was my mothers, i took advantage of them and it cost me. Make sure your moms are uber healthy, a great product, very expensive but great is advanced nutes bud factor x. add this each time you feed/water and watch your moms become healthy and lush. Great moms give great cuttings, yes, you need a chiller for your ebb n flow table or you will have problems.
dds biggest single rule about growing
whats happening inside the room during the dark cycle ?
This is way more important that the light cycle. in cloning, if your temp drops more than 10 degrees during lights out your gonna have a big problem cloning. No need to talk about the dark cycle for veggin and flowering..... that speaks for itself.
Bro, dont give up on things so early and run for somthing else. All the info i have given is tried,tested and true. If you had a problem its somthing you did wrong bro. Follow my lead mate and you wont go wrong.
The first time i grew this method i made it all the way to harvest but my god, the root rot stunk so bad when we pulled the pails for cleaning i had to plug in the charcoal filters and leave the room. The fella helping me wouldnt go back in.
Remember, you may have grown for a long time and become a master but this is a new system, you have to learn all over again.
Hope all is well mate
dds
I think thats where I screwed up, I was trying to keep the cubes as dry as possible so the roots would go looking for water. then I realized healthy, well feed roots grow, not roots starved for water. thanks DD
I think next run I will make sure the roots are poking out the bottom of the buckets before i transplant because the growth rate once the roots hit the buckets is insane