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I've been testing out an organic pest & disease/fertilizer combo that contains seaweed, ascorbic acid, yarrow, and horsetails along with a bunch of other organic goodies. I'm in the 2nd week of bloom with it now on a plant that looked like it wasn't gonna make it a few weeks ago. Yarrow is known for repelling insects and I've witnessed the power of horsetails for myself last year when it actually killed my PM instead of covering it up like the expensive shit I had bought & tried.
Could you give us the name of the product or what you use to make it yourself? This is something im very interested in..
Yes. It cannot be separated from the cannabis oils he's after. It leaves quite a mess.Can you elaborate on your extract professional's disdain for neem?
I already haven't used neem for quite a while, like I said I really don't care for the odor and it seems to persist, so I've eschewed it for other things.I'd be curious what you learned from your extract professionals that you won't use neem?
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I think this is really getting closer to the meat of the matter. I knew I had other Brassica species here on the property, mostly feral mustards. These draw harlequin beetles, what I thought were going to be my worst pest issue. They're nothing! The things to keep in mind are my locale and the fact that our property had not been developed, let alone farmed, prior to our purchase. We're in a rural area that is farming, but mostly ranching country. I later discovered that I have neighbors who are growing veggies at home, but using very chemical methods. The bugs, I think, were naturally drawn to my crop because for them it was edible.Plants signal insects through volatile modulation, either VOC or MVOC communications, so it could be argued, we encourage pests with our actions, through a base level of understanding. most people just plant, they don't know what the biology is surrounding them, it might have been that the conditions where such that no matter, you may have struggled for the system may already have been prone to negative Brassica biology
AND! My chickens get the mealworms. My chickens LOVE the mealworms! And! I make mealworm families to give away to kids. Their parents are never happy about it, but fuck 'em. :ptrue da and crab can take long time to be effective, frass is better for short day crops like this
ISR=?increasing ISR through bacterial or elemental modulation
Instead of neem? Several things. For spider mites my go-to is now isopropyl alcohol because I know that it leaves zero residue. I also know that it's not reportable (keep in mind my market gardener status, I have an operators permit in my county which means I am legally mandated to report applications and use of certain products, ANY EPA labeled pesticide, whether certified for organic use or not, is included in that list. Iso is not considered a pesticide, so...!).What do you use?
Can not be separated from cannabis oil? Can you please elaborate?Yes. It cannot be separated from the cannabis oils he's after. It leaves quite a mess.
I already haven't used neem for quite a while, like I said I really don't care for the odor and it seems to persist, so I've eschewed it for other things.
I'm sorry, I do not understand your post. Is he saying the neem oil is staying around until the final product and mixing with the cannabis oil? I really can't see that happening, but I'm often wrong. Neem oil is the most widely used organic pest preventative I know, so I'm curious if there is a reason I shouldn't be using it. I would love you or the professional extractors insight on this topic!No, I'm afraid I can't elaborate on that aspect. That's why he's the professional extractor guy and I'm not.
I have never noticed neem to affect the end result. I was assured if it was not sprayed like 2 days before harvest it would be broken down and would not affect flavor taste etc.Do your guys only notice residuals from using neem as a foliar or do you also find it taints the end result when used in the soil mix? Sorry for the 20 questions this is just my first time hearing of this, as it looks like it is for a few people.
My guy is discussing neem as a foliar only. He has a lot of producers who love using it. It is damn near impossible to separate out, using whatever extraction methods he's using (he's an engineer, he tried explaining it to me but frankly, the whole thing was way over my head) from the cannabis oils and such.Do your guys only notice residuals from using neem as a foliar or do you also find it taints the end result when used in the soil mix? Sorry for the 20 questions this is just my first time hearing of this, as it looks like it is for a few people.
From what he's telling me, any product treated with neem, especially through flower, has a residue of neem. This is specific to foliar application, he hasn't mentioned anything about neem seed meal used in mixes. And he complained bitterly about not being well able to remove the neem from the other oils he's after, and when that happens, the medible guy he's supplying won't use the product. That's really all I can say about it. It is one reason why I've stopped using other plant essential oils so often though. So far so good. So far.I'm sorry, I do not understand your post. Is he saying the neem oil is staying around until the final product and mixing with the cannabis oil? I really can't see that happening, but I'm often wrong. Neem oil is the most widely used organic pest preventative I know, so I'm curious if there is a reason I shouldn't be using it. I would love you or the professional extractors insight on this topic!
Many thanks!
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This kind of thing fascinates me! I asked the professional I know, and this is the response I recieved. I would love your extraction professional's opinion on it:My guy is discussing neem as a foliar only. He has a lot of producers who love using it. It is damn near impossible to separate out, using whatever extraction methods he's using (he's an engineer, he tried explaining it to me but frankly, the whole thing was way over my head) from the cannabis oils and such.
From what he's telling me, any product treated with neem, especially through flower, has a residue of neem. This is specific to foliar application, he hasn't mentioned anything about neem seed meal used in mixes. And he complained bitterly about not being well able to remove the neem from the other oils he's after, and when that happens, the medible guy he's supplying won't use the product. That's really all I can say about it. It is one reason why I've stopped using other plant essential oils so often though. So far so good. So far.
No I love this talk mate so do carry on it is fascinating. ISR = Induced Systemic ResponseI think this is really getting closer to the meat of the matter. I knew I had other Brassica species here on the property, mostly feral mustards. These draw harlequin beetles, what I thought were going to be my worst pest issue. They're nothing! The things to keep in mind are my locale and the fact that our property had not been developed, let alone farmed, prior to our purchase. We're in a rural area that is farming, but mostly ranching country. I later discovered that I have neighbors who are growing veggies at home, but using very chemical methods. The bugs, I think, were naturally drawn to my crop because for them it was edible.
AND! My chickens get the mealworms. My chickens LOVE the mealworms! And! I make mealworm families to give away to kids. Their parents are never happy about it, but fuck 'em. :p
ISR=?
Instead of neem? Several things. For spider mites my go-to is now isopropyl alcohol because I know that it leaves zero residue. I also know that it's not reportable (keep in mind my market gardener status, I have an operators permit in my county which means I am legally mandated to report applications and use of certain products, ANY EPA labeled pesticide, whether certified for organic use or not, is included in that list. Iso is not considered a pesticide, so...!).
If I need to go harder on them I'll use JMS Stylets oil. It can be very phototoxic so great care must be used in mixing and application. That said, it's my favorite tank adjuvant. If I see PM, then I go immediately to iso or JMS.
I also keep Bt of two or three different subspecies on hand, in the form of products like DiPel, as well as Spinosad (I need to get my Conserve SC on). What else...? Cupric solutions for certain types of bacterial infections, such as Septoria. CuSO4 is approved for organic production.
Oh! And Surround, which is kaolin clay. You really don't want to use it past vegging because it AIN'T comin' off. But on other veggies and fruit, especially if you have problems with scorching in the heat, this is THE stuff you want. It can also impact aphids and flea beetles. I had a bout with cucumber flea beetles late in the season, but they didn't impact fruit production really. The green aphids make cleaning leafy greens a pain in the ass, but they come off well enough.
I mention all of these because people do see them affecting their cannabis plants as well. EG, putting a newer seedling or cut outside for the first time, she's likely to get sun scorched. An application of Surround will halt that in its tracks and she'll do just fine.
Eek! Sorry for the rambling. At least I break it up into paragraphs. :D
we have a saying, horses for courses :-) In life, admitting limitations is the 1st step to better collaboration and so a more useable outcome is soon to come from mixing with other real experts which add more value than one can ever realise alone :-)No, I'm afraid I can't elaborate on that aspect. That's why he's the professional extractor guy and I'm not.
It's also how one makes soft soaps. It's a lot like sodium hydroxide, aka lye. It is derived from wood ashes (sodium hydroxide, I don't know how potassium hydroxide is derived).When it comes to ‘soap’ per se this one I do not get. If you look at the list of ingredients for a Dr. Bronner’s product the 3rd item after water, organic coconut oil is potassium hydroxide. Besides being used to cremate humans for several years you can also find it in Drano and most other products in that category.
I'm curious, is this person interpreting foaming action as a measure of microbial activity? If so, that is incorrect, it cannot be used as an indicator of microbial activity. What it *can* be interpreted as is an indicator of DOCs (dissolved organic compounds) of a type that has hydrophobic end and a hydrophilic end. What you're really observing is a form of chemical filtration called foam fractionation. Think: foamy surf.In the case of alfalfa if you’ve ever made an alfalfa and kelp tea using an air pump you saw for yourself how much foam was created. This is why I always suggest that if you going to use Aloe vera or Yucca extract you want to shake aerate the ‘tea’ for a few minutes as in 4 or 5 minutes to get the foaming action up and running.
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