• Home
  • Forums
  • Cannabis Lifestyle
  • Smokers Lounge
  • Was He Justified???

Was He Justified???

  • Thread starter Thread starter chickenman
  • Start date Start date Oct 12, 2016
  • Tagged users Tagged users None

Was He Justified???

chickenman Oct 12, 2016 105 Replies 10,619 Views
Page 2 of 6 · Replies 21–40 of 106
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
Next
First Prev 2 of 6 Next Last

Was this man justified in shooting these kids???

  • yes

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • no

    Votes: 16 84.2%

  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed Nov 30, 2016.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Psychonaut47

Posts
444
Reactions
1,071
Joined
Jun 26, 2016
Points
143
Oct 12, 2016
#21
xavier7995 said:
As a hypothetical, what if the kid in question was special needs and did not really know any better. My neighbors had a teen son with autism that would occasionally get out and run around going into any door he saw, even trying to climb fences. That is one reason the shoot first approach isn't acceptable to me. By all means, I support protecting yourself, family, property, etc. But you need to be pretty sure that person is a legitimate threat first.
Click to expand...
hypethetically, if you were being attacked by a guilty person and you killed them do you think you would sleep at night. If you answered yes then what's your secret...we might be able to lower the 22 suicides a day from soldiers who do/did have a tough time sleeping at night...
 
Reactions: Seamaiden, dreamofgreen and GreenHouser

LocalGrowGuy

Posts
2,497
Reactions
4,005
Joined
Oct 26, 2010
Points
263
Oct 12, 2016
#22
J-fly said:
I caught a kid in denver stealing my bike and almost stabbed his ass i was so pissed off. But yeah sneaking onto someone elses property in the middle of the night is not a good idea, especially jumping fences and shit. Homie probably couldve fired a warning shot and scared them off who knows. Maybe they intended to come into the house who knows. This is one reason I left Denver, too much crime and people with guns. This is one reason I dont own guns, because I would maybe make a mistake and kill someone. Ive had drunk people walk in my apartment in the middle of the night, thats how you get shot. Honestly this guy was protecting his property and medicine, so I think maybe manslaughter or involuntary or something. Would it be better if he shot adults.. Too bad its not the 1800's and we cant just go around with holsters and shoot people in self defense everyday
Click to expand...
That's murder one or poor wording.

J-Fly, 'protecting his property and medicine' does not include staking out your grow from an elevated position, engaging and shooting, then telling the cops you just came upon them. There is nothing even close to legal anywhere near this story. "I think maybe manslaughter or something" This isn't a video game, there isn't a legal defense of any kind.

How do you commit involuntary manslaughter from the second story? "Sorry officer, I guess I shot that other kid but I was aiming for the first kid. I didn't mean to, it was involuntary, and I was scared even though I staked out higher ground and ambushed kids because I love my weed"
 
Reactions: Seamaiden

xavier7995

Posts
1,806
Reactions
3,538
Joined
Jun 10, 2015
Points
263
Oct 12, 2016
#23
Yes, I would sleep fine. I think that is distinct from the case of a soldier killing someone who isn't really guilty of much other than being on the other team. To me, that is closer to gang violence. Sure the soldier is defending themself, but that is because they are also trying to kill the other side that is also trying to defend their own life. In the case of a legitimate home invader, you are not attempting to do them harm, they come at you and you defend yourself, at no point could the argument be made that their actions are defensive.
 
Reactions: NaturalTherapy, Psychonaut47 and LocalGrowGuy

LocalGrowGuy

Posts
2,497
Reactions
4,005
Joined
Oct 26, 2010
Points
263
Oct 12, 2016
#24
Psychonaut47 said:
hypethetically, if you were being attacked by a guilty person and you killed them do you think you would sleep at night. If you answered yes then what's your secret...we might be able to lower the 22 suicides a day from soldiers who do/did have a tough time sleeping at night...
Click to expand...
I don't think we have the authority to comment on shit like this, because luckily most of us haven't had to deal with a nightmare like this.

I think we should drop it. I don't think it's appropriate to bring that statistic up, it has nothing to do with gun violence, and if it does, there are other threads for that.
 

GrowGod

Supporter
BANNED!
Posts
8,429
Reactions
34,242
Joined
Nov 20, 2014
Points
313
Oct 12, 2016
#25
I've been growing for 15 years and one harvest or plant or whatever has never made or broken me. This guy could be harvesting the rest of his crop today...
 
Reactions: Seamaiden and Og Gong

Psychonaut47

Posts
444
Reactions
1,071
Joined
Jun 26, 2016
Points
143
Oct 12, 2016
#26
@LocalGrowGuy It puts life/ death and coping with life and death decisions into perspective. My
point was/is this, that even in a war scenario, living with the killing is the hard part...
 
Reactions: Seamaiden, GreenHouser and LocalGrowGuy

guymandude

Posts
605
Reactions
1,542
Joined
Aug 14, 2011
Points
143
Oct 12, 2016
#27
i can't think of an excuse why these no good pieces of thieving crap deserved the air the were breathing.

There's a special place in hell for thieves. And no, it probably wouldn't break this guy who was growing the plant. The blame lays on the tresspassing, douchebag thieves - cuz if they weren't tresspassing, douchebag thieves, they'd be alive today.
 
Reactions: gravekat303

xavier7995

Posts
1,806
Reactions
3,538
Joined
Jun 10, 2015
Points
263
Oct 12, 2016
#28
@Psychonaut47 I think what makes it hard to live with is that by going to war, you are making a conscious decision to enter into the series of events. Same thing with gangs. If we equate it to this home invasion type situation, we (the US) would be the invaders in every conflict since...a long time. The middle eastern and Viet people had us coming in to attack them, they view it as defending their home. It probably causes mental strife because on some level soldiers understand that despite the objectives of liberating people or stopping the commies, we are entering a country to kill people that live there.

Ps. Most interesting conversation topic we have had in a while. Let's hope it doesn't fly off the rails.
 
Reactions: Seamaiden, LocalGrowGuy, smokedareefer and 1 other person

1diesel1

Staff
Supporter
Posts
11,520
Reactions
42,641
Joined
May 14, 2016
Points
438
Oct 12, 2016
#29
guymandude said:
i can't think of an excuse why these no good pieces of thieving crap deserved the air the were breathing.

There's a special place in hell for thieves. And no, it probably wouldn't break this guy who was growing the plant. The blame lays on the tresspassing, douchebag thieves - cuz if they weren't tresspassing, douchebag thieves, they'd be alive today.
Click to expand...
This was not a death offense, pieces of shit or not. Thieves deserve a second chance thay are not murderers. These boys did not have a chance it's a shame you can not see this for what it is. These boys were doing what we did when we were kids. The first time I got caught stealing I was given a second chance to live. I was 13 and never stole again. An eye for an eye the murdering bastard should be handed over to the families of the murdered boys and dealt with in a swift and painful death.
 
Reactions: Seamaiden, LocalGrowGuy, chickenman and 1 other person

Psychonaut47

Posts
444
Reactions
1,071
Joined
Jun 26, 2016
Points
143
Oct 12, 2016
#30
xavier7995 said:
@Psychonaut47 I think what makes it hard to live with is that by going to war, you are making a conscious decision to enter into the series of events. Same thing with gangs. If we equate it to this home invasion type situation, we (the US) would be the invaders in every conflict since...a long time. The middle eastern and Viet people had us coming in to attack them, they view it as defending their home. It probably causes mental strife because on some level soldiers understand that despite the objectives of liberating people or stopping the commies, we are entering a country to kill people that live there.

Ps. Most interesting conversation topic we have had in a while. Let's hope it doesn't fly off the rails.
Click to expand...
this man's decision to be "prepared" for the kids/thieves won't prepare him for living with his decision to take thier lives...
guymandude said:
i can't think of an excuse why these no good pieces of thieving crap deserved the air the were breathing.

There's a special place in hell for thieves. And no, it probably wouldn't break this guy who was growing the plant. The blame lays on the tresspassing, douchebag thieves - cuz if they weren't tresspassing, douchebag thieves, they'd be alive today.
Click to expand...
well we have a problem right? In this case, thieves, we as a society have had these problems and have dealt with them violently and this exact problem of thievery still exist, correct? @guymandude killing these two kids will not prevent two other youth from stealing from you or your family or mine. so killing is not the answer that's all I'm saying. So no its not justified.
 
Reactions: Seamaiden and chickenman

Og Gong

Rip Geologic
Posts
1,973
Reactions
6,604
Joined
Mar 27, 2015
Points
263
Oct 12, 2016
#31
Nobody wins in this situation. The kid definitely didn't deserve to die. They did deserve to be disciplined in some way but not death. The farmer could of had his garden setup better to prevent all the bs. Terrible.
 
Reactions: Seamaiden, chickenman, Freshone and 1 other person

chickenman

Supporter
Premium Member
Posts
10,698
Reactions
34,246
Joined
Apr 15, 2011
Points
438
Oct 12, 2016
#32
Og Gong said:
Nobody wins in this situation. The kid definitely didn't deserve to die. They did deserve to be disciplined in some way but not death. The farmer could of had his garden setup better to prevent all the bs. Terrible.
Click to expand...

Outdoor is not allowed in the city of Denver....
So his garden should have had only veggies...
 
Reactions: Seamaiden and gravekat303

labud

Posts
399
Reactions
922
Joined
Apr 24, 2009
Points
93
Oct 12, 2016
#33
It's getting bad here in L.A.,,, robbed twice in a month ,last time ended up in the hospital
Yep that's my blood
5 black guys with guns
 

dalai farma

Posts
304
Reactions
398
Joined
Oct 2, 2015
Points
63
Oct 12, 2016
#34
Due to the rising cost of ammunition, warning shots will not be fired. Just kidding . It's a strange world we've created. Not defending people stealing but warning shots should have been fired. Usually kids or not, that'll make someone think before proceeding further if not turn and run the fuck away. Wonder if the guy felt bad after realizing it was some stupid kids doing stupid shit. I know I def. did some dumb ass stuff in my youth. Nothing worthy of being shot at but stupid all the same. Sorry LAbud for your troubles.
 
Reactions: Seamaiden and Freshone

LocalGrowGuy

Posts
2,497
Reactions
4,005
Joined
Oct 26, 2010
Points
263
Oct 12, 2016
#35
I guess it's time to retire that whole 'potheads aren't violent criminals, that's the meth, coke, crack, whatever' saying.

Armed home invasions, killing over a few elbows, ripping plants, we are not in kansas anymore, this is worse. The problem is that 5 elbows in Colorado is nothing, but five elbows of ColoradoGrown in Kansas or out east is quite a bit more than nothing, it's enough to take another person's life over. That is fucking insane.
 
Reactions: Seamaiden

LocalGrowGuy

Posts
2,497
Reactions
4,005
Joined
Oct 26, 2010
Points
263
Oct 12, 2016
#36
dalai farma said:
Due to the rising cost of ammunition, warning shots will not be fired. Just kidding . It's a strange world we've created. Not defending people stealing but warning shots should have been fired. Usually kids or not, that'll make someone think before proceeding further if not turn and run the fuck away. Wonder if the guy felt bad after realizing it was some stupid kids doing stupid shit. I know I def. did some dumb ass stuff in my youth. Nothing worthy of being shot at but stupid all the same. Sorry LAbud for your troubles.
Click to expand...
I wish more humans would understand, accept, and acknowledge this.
 
Reactions: chickenman

chickenman

Supporter
Premium Member
Posts
10,698
Reactions
34,246
Joined
Apr 15, 2011
Points
438
Oct 12, 2016
#37
Warning shots will bring the cops in minutes in Denver. they got a detection system that locates immediately..
discharge of a firearm in city limits is a pretty major offense....especially defending an illegal grow....
Our guards dogs are on constant watch and would alert then rip to shreds any unwelcome intruders who they do not know.
TANK TANK TANK..... Killer......
 
Reactions: Seamaiden, dreamofgreen, 1diesel1 and 1 other person

Psychonaut47

Posts
444
Reactions
1,071
Joined
Jun 26, 2016
Points
143
Oct 12, 2016
#38
Nothing wrong with that
 
Last edited: Oct 12, 2016
Reactions: chickenman

Og Gong

Rip Geologic
Posts
1,973
Reactions
6,604
Joined
Mar 27, 2015
Points
263
Oct 13, 2016
#39
labud said:
It's getting bad here in L.A.,,, robbed twice in a month ,last time ended up in the hospital
Yep that's my blood
5 black guys with guns View attachment 639753 View attachment 639754 View attachment 639755
Click to expand...
Damn bro glad your ok. I hope you leave that hood soon. Sounds like they know you and what you do. Time to move on to a better place man.
 
Reactions: Freshone, Psychonaut47 and Homesteader

mancdank

Posts
8,108
Reactions
19,626
Joined
Nov 16, 2015
Points
313
Oct 13, 2016
#40
smokedareefer said:
^^^^ sorry man, a life for a bag of weed isn't a fair exchange imo
Click to expand...
Depends how big the bag of weed was lol
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Page 2 of 6 · Replies 21–40 of 106
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
Next
First Prev 2 of 6 Next Last

Thread info

Replies 105
Views 10,619
Started Oct 12, 2016
Latest post Oct 16, 2016
Starter chickenman
Forum Smokers Lounge

Latest posts

  • 2026 Outdoor Grows! let's see em!
    • Latest: 1diesel1
    • 21 minutes ago
    General Outdoor Growing
  • J
    1 hitter gummy Skunk it's fire
    • Latest: jrock67
    • 31 minutes ago
    Grow Diaries
  • J
    Is it ready to harvest
    • Latest: josh65
    • 40 minutes ago
    Photography Help
  • how to Bubble washing and tips 2024
    • Latest: Oldchucky
    • 45 minutes ago
    Concentrates & Processing
  • NYC Piff #3 grow from The Clone Conservatory searching for the NYC Haze
    • Latest: GNick55
    • 58 minutes ago
    Grow Diaries
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Cannabis Lifestyle
  • Smokers Lounge
  • Was He Justified???
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2026 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Sign up

  • Home
  • News
  • Classifieds
  • Forums
    • What's new Featured content New posts New Articles New articles New products Latest activity
  • Social
  • Strains
  • Live
  • Learn
  • Brands
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?