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Thanks man, I will do.well i would flush her out some. Take readings and then feed a complete balanced fertilizer so i know she has everything she needs.
the striping on the leaves is showing a lot of nutrient stress.
My experience with seeds is much different. I have consistently grown 4-8 oz hybrids that sold out immediately from any seed i have planted for years. Sure some came out better or worse but that is mostly my doing. A lot of times i took a late flower cut and tried again with way better results if i was unhappy.
But i have stuck to old companies that had the best plants imo. No “cookies” or “cakes” or “fruitcake”. I think that is where breeders went awry.
Some new strains taste real good but still give a flat unhappy high. I grabbed a sweet strain from HSC. Caramel cream. Curious of it has any depth.
can you give an example of a shit strain?
genetics is genotype AND phenotype. genotype is indica vs sativa. phenotype is short vs tall, lemon vs diesel, purple vs green. bottom line is your dope will only be as good as the genetics you are using. a good light or environment will not make shit worn out genetics any good. shit genetics will always be shit genetics no matter what you try and do to it. period.I agree with this. Its proof of how important environment is. We talk of genetics. Thats genotype. But phenotype is created by our personal conditions.
genetics is genotype AND phenotype. genotype is indica vs sativa. phenotype is short vs tall, lemon vs diesel, purple vs green. bottom line is your dope will only be as good as the genetics you are using. a good light or environment will not make shit worn out genetics any good. shit genetics will always be shit genetics no matter what you try and do to it. period.
i still have not grown any real bad genetics. Seeds from $20 a pack to$100 a pack have all been fine. I even usually only germinate one at a time in my system. I have to count on that seed and have never felt let down by the breeder. I always assume grower or environmental error.
Has worked for me almost 7 years perpetually with no shut down time til the root aphid infestation. And i still dont have any bad buds just less of them.
that is not to say that one genetic may be much better than another. But personal choice gets in that.
I've grown all kinds of shit genetics over the years. it's a bummer but it happens. I've made crosses that have turned out shit too. it's just the nature of the beast. it happens.i still have not grown any real bad genetics. Seeds from $20 a pack to$100 a pack have all been fine. I even usually only germinate one at a time in my system. I have to count on that seed and have never felt let down by the breeder. I always assume grower or environmental error.
Has worked for me almost 7 years perpetually with no shut down time til the root aphid infestation. And i still dont have any bad buds just less of them.
that is not to say that one genetic may be much better than another. But personal choice gets in that.
Didnt you grow mostly seeds from the same breeder, Ch9 the first 5 years though? Im just saying, in 20 years of cracking seeds from a pile of breeders, very few have been what i consider keeper genetics.
I believe a strain like Purple Punch, that lacked potency cannot be changed into a gem by altering the environment or by the grower. A plant can only be grown to the potential the genetics can provide. Columbia weed from the 80's got you high but you had to smoke more of it than quality strains today. So to say sure it got you high it not a reasonable comparison. Secondly, I believe @Dirtbag put it best, good genetics and a so so environment can still be dank weed.getting into specific effects from different strains is beyond the discussion we are having i think.
I miss the cd because it reminds me of an old flower we used to smoke in high school.
Some people like intense hit and couch lock. I like trip weed.
It's true, everything you say. I just I don't come across all that many "shit strains" anymore. Maybe I'm lucky. But I do notice substansal differences between one grow, and another grow of the same exact lines, so it leads me to believe it wasn't a problem with the genetics, but a problem with the environment, or with me, the grower.
But of course I'm splitting hairs again. Because I'm talking about a very small difference. Like one will get you high in say 5-7 hits, or smoke a joint, (depending on tolerance) vs the one that blows your skull cap off in a couple of hits, and your forced to set it down because you feel like your gonna "die"
I think this thread could use a little reprieve.. lol
I recently heard a rap song about cannabis growersI think this thread could use a little reprieve.. lol
Didnt you grow mostly seeds from the same breeder, Ch9 the first 5 years though? Im just saying, in 20 years of cracking seeds from a pile of breeders, very few have been what i consider keeper genetics.
Totally agree with Dirtbag
As a rookie , I feel like I have more say
For experienced growers, good genetics with perfect environment and perfect PPFD(or the DLI that you guys often mention), I personally think the nutrient solution only accounts for 5-10% of the factors (Good nutrient solution does produce more trichome and terpenes)and i feel that the good genetics are quite different from the same variety genetics even in the same brand. I have three plants, the same environment / lights height/nutrient solution /same amount of power and watering time, and the other two of them are dark dense buds with purple leaves. The other one is just common. It is quite different from the other two. IMO I can only buy the seeds I can buy, but I can't and can't judge whether the genes are good or bad, but for environmental factors (VPD), I have prepared AC / de/humidifier / heater machine,CO2 equipment that can meet all environmental factors(, the AC and humidifier turned on at the same time in normal weather conditions of Veg, and the dehumidifier and AC always operated almost 24 hours a day in Bloom.), and nutrient solution, I'm more inclined to use the nutrition solution of synganics in the cultivation of synthetic.
But for new growers, as long as they can start to grow, even if a plant produces 20-30g, which it is also a great success.
Given the overwhelming choices that growers have to pick from in the post-legalization era it should follow that more variation will occur in the results. There is a correlation in dog breeding; the labradoodle was bred so that allergic blind people could have a hypoallergenic dog. This answers a specific need and the breed is popular. Many people won't/can't wait for full term photoperiod plants so they select autoflowering strains. Specific strains do different things and people describe highs and smells differently. Used to be Mr Coffee and Chock full of Nuts was exotic as coffee got and now.....Couldnt disagree more. Ive seen some of the most talented growers in dialed in environments go through hit and miss with genetics over and over. Some strains suck.. some are awesome. But the amazing grower with a perfect environment will never make a shit strain good.
Grower can read the plants and tune the environment and feedings as necessary.Wait what would grower even mean? The grower controls the environment so they are the same thing, no?
Yeah, i dont know man. Ive still gotta say Genetics>Environment~Grower
There is a reason places like HSC do what, 10000 or 1000000 seed sift searches for genetics. Ask any breeder or watch any breeder roundtables and they all say the same thing. The top shelf genetics are a rarity.
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