Which has better yields, more colas or beefing up fewer colas

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growsince79 said:
ndoor with12-12 light they can take 20 weeks to finish.
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20 weeks? no way. 8-12 max. 15 weeks if you have some really slow growers and/or want 100% brandy colored trichomes for a solid couch lock. I've never heard/read/seen a plant take 20 weeks from flip to harvest.

and I don't like the larf:( I'm outdoor grower, I trim anything during veg or pre-flower phase that looks like it will larf. I also extract oil with my magical butter machine, but no larf. it just wastes my time when harvesting/drying/curing
 
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Xhale said:
20 weeks? no way. 8-12 max. 15 weeks if you have some really slow growers and/or want 100% brandy colored trichomes for a solid couch lock. I've never heard/read/seen a plant take 20 weeks from flip to harvest.

and I don't like the larf:( I'm outdoor grower, I trim anything during veg or pre-flower phase that looks like it will larf. I also extract oil with my magical butter machine, but no larf. it just wastes my time when harvesting/drying/curing
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Yea, I'm anti larf. What I'm doing now as far as training goes... There are no lower buds. The canopy is about 6"s deep and light penetrates all of it
 
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Ponky said:
Weed is so cheap where I am now I'm spending more on electricity than I am on shatter. Might quit growing.
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I know it's crazy! Thankfully I only use a couple months of electricity then the sun steps in for me, but yeah, hard to compete with massive grow ops... I just do it for myself, but the days of the little guy making gains from a small grow seem to be dead.... but I prefer to know what I'm smoking.
 
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I know it's crazy! Thankfully I only use a couple months of electricity then the sun steps in for me, but yeah, hard to compete with massive grow ops... I just do it for myself, but the days of the little guy making gains from a small grow seem to be dead.... but I prefer to know what I'm smoking.
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Huge facts, but finding quality nugs is hard to come by still. Plus these major grow ops lie about thc content say they test thoroughly, but only test minimum amount for max profit.
 
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Kungpow420 said:
Huge facts, but finding quality nugs is hard to come by still. Plus these major grow ops lie about thc content say they test thoroughly, but only test minimum amount for max profit.
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Oh for sure, they just can't compete with a small, lovingly grown crop in my opinion. You know they will do whatever necessary to save a cash crop, including douse it with chemicals. Some people only care about price or don't even know the difference. I've smoked buds from Cali many times that look great, usually cause they're tumbled, get you stoned sufficiently, but then I have an allergy attack or massive headache and am stuck w a bag I won't smoke. I prefer to know the whole process, and the only way to know that is to do the whole process yourself.
 
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TSD said:
Oh for sure, they just can't compete with a small, lovingly grown crop in my opinion. You know they will do whatever necessary to save a cash crop, including douse it with chemicals. Some people only care about price or don't even know the difference. I've smoked buds from Cali many times that look great, usually cause they're tumbled, get you stoned sufficiently, but then I have an allergy attack or massive headache and am stuck w a bag I won't smoke. I prefer to know the whole process, and the only way to know that is to do the whole process yourself.
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Definitely homie! I know all to well about that! Get some flower or dab that looks and smells awesome . Then do a dab or smoke a bowl and your lungs immediately feel that they are on fire, and have a dry cough for days afterwords.
People be like I paid 10 buck for shatter , and I laugh. They ask me if I want to smoke I laugh then bust out my nugs. Life is to short to get permanently fucked up because you want to save 20 bucks.
I can get my hamburger from Walmart and save 20 bucks but I would rather save the trip and pick up some meat from my local ranch where I can see the grass fed beef and yak eat their home free range. My money stays in the community, and I love one source .
 
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Xhale said:
20 weeks? no way. 8-12 max. 15 weeks if you have some really slow growers and/or want 100% brandy colored trichomes for a solid couch lock. I've never heard/read/seen a plant take 20 weeks from flip to harvest.

and I don't like the larf:( I'm outdoor grower, I trim anything during veg or pre-flower phase that looks like it will larf. I also extract oil with my magical butter machine, but no larf. it just wastes my time when harvesting/drying/curing
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Xhale said:
20 weeks? no way. 8-12 max. 15 weeks if you have some really slow growers and/or want 100% brandy colored trichomes for a solid couch lock. I've never heard/read/seen a plant take 20 weeks from flip to harvest.

and I don't like the larf:( I'm outdoor grower, I trim anything during veg or pre-flower phase that looks like it will larf. I also extract oil with my magical butter machine, but no larf. it just wastes my time when harvesting/drying/curing
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Yup 20 weeks. Outdoors under 12-12 they get 10-15 feet tall. Its hard to grow them in a 6 foot tall closet.
 
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Kungpow420 said:
Huge facts, but finding quality nugs is hard to come by still. Plus these major grow ops lie about thc content say they test thoroughly, but only test minimum amount for max profit.
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That's exactly it. I like buds, flowers or whatever you want call the smokable part of the plant. I don't like concentrates. The flower at dispensaries are over-dried and nearly scentless by comparison to mine.
 
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mysticepipedon said:
That's exactly it. I like buds, flowers or whatever you want call the smokable part of the plant. I don't like concentrates. The flower at dispensaries are over-dried and nearly scentless by comparison to mine.
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For sure... they can't properly dry and cure hundreds of pounds of nugs properly... it just wouldn't be cost effective... Doing 10 pounds about killed me lol. That's why they tumble it, to make it look cured without actually curing it... then they get double profits cause they take the trichomes and make other shit to sell. I like to open my bag or jar and be smacked in the face with delicious smells. I don't do dabs or shatter or any of that either, prefer my tasty nugs, I do make edibles and occasionally RSO, might try my hand at hash at some point.
 
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Of course people in this thread prefer home grown to commercial. Kinda the nature of the beast here, right? But let's look at a couple of things:

Commercial flower is tested. In California, at least, cultivators don't choose the bud to test. Lab techs come into the grow operation and select their sample, themselves, in the quantities they need, from the available product. Growers can probably game it if they try hard enough, but it's set up to get an honest test.

Concentrates are all over the place. Some are great, and they get the whole terpene profile and the whole entourage effect. The high is great, the medicine works, and the experience is what people are looking for. But a whole bunch of it fails that test, and can even be dangerous depending on remaining solvents and a number of other factors. Consumers have to be careful. Some home growers make their own concentrates, and for consumers that's even more dangerous because they don't go through the testing and have the safeguards that commercial concentrates do (which isn't good enough even commercially).

There are some real advantages to home grown flower over commercial. For one thing, commercial has lots of economic pressure to get to market fast and economically, as TSD alluded to in the post above this one. That means things like machine trimming to save costs, short drying and curing times so product isn't tied up and out of the market, and less care for the long term preservation of the product so that if it sits for any appreciable time the consumer winds up with dry, odorless buds. And for a great deal of cannabis product, potency and end user experience is not even a consideration since much of the product will be aggregated with other product and used for everything from pre-rolls to tinctures and other applications where a great flower isn't needed and would be too expensive.

Conversely, if you're a connoisseur of flower, commercial is tough for you as there is very little commercial flower sold that is top quality; where time for excellence in curing is spent; where buds are hand-trimmed and handled gingerly to preserve trichomes; and the produce is stored with longevity in mind. All that stuff costs money and time that are the enemies of commercial operations, but are actually the goal of small craft growers and indoor specialists in exotics. Naturally, we here are among those who appreciate the carefully grown, dried, trimmed, cured, and stored buds. But for most folks, the only two questions they ask are "Does it get me high?" and "Can I afford it?" And for that vast majority of consumers, commercial is definitely the way to go.

However, bad news for people who feel as we do, I think. I think the small craft grower is on his way out. There simply won't be any commercial craft growers left a few years from now. A few are struggling to hang on by their fingernails, but the vast market doesn't care about what craft growers care about, and they simply can't compete with the McCannabis operations. Someone even said the other day, "Does anyone even smoke flower, anymore?" The legal market is changing how people consume cannabis.
 
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Mcsketcher

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CannaDana said:
Of course people in this thread prefer home grown to commercial. Kinda the nature of the beast here, right? But let's look at a couple of things:

Commercial flower is tested. In California, at least, cultivators don't choose the bud to test. Lab techs come into the grow operation and select their sample, themselves, in the quantities they need, from the available product. Growers can probably game it if they try hard enough, but it's set up to get an honest test.

Concentrates are all over the place. Some are great, and they get the whole terpene profile and the whole entourage effect. The high is great, the medicine works, and the experience is what people are looking for. But a whole bunch of it fails that test, and can even be dangerous depending on remaining solvents and a number of other factors. Consumers have to be careful. Some home growers make their own concentrates, and for consumers that's even more dangerous because they don't go through the testing and have the safeguards that commercial concentrates do (which isn't good enough even commercially).

There are some real advantages to home grown flower over commercial. For one thing, commercial has lots of economic pressure to get to market fast and economically, as TSD alluded to in the post above this one. That means things like machine trimming to save costs, short drying and curing times so product isn't tied up and out of the market, and less care for the long term preservation of the product so that if it sits for any appreciable time the consumer winds up with dry, odorless buds. And for a great deal of cannabis product, potency and end user experience is not even a consideration since much of the product will be aggregated with other product and used for everything from pre-rolls to tinctures and other applications where a great flower isn't needed and would be too expensive.

Conversely, if you're a connoisseur of flower, commercial is tough for you as there is very little commercial flower sold that is top quality; where time for excellence in curing is spent; where buds are hand-trimmed and handled gingerly to preserve trichomes; and the produce is stored with longevity in mind. All that stuff costs money and time that are the enemies of commercial operations, but are actually the goal of small craft growers and indoor specialists in exotics. Naturally, we here are among those who appreciate the carefully grown, dried, trimmed, cured, and stored buds. But for most folks, the only two questions they ask are "Does it get me high?" and "Can I afford it?" And for that vast majority of consumers, commercial is definitely the way to go.

However, bad news for people who feel as we do, I think. I think the small craft grower is on his way out. There simply won't be any commercial craft growers left a few years from now. A few are struggling to hang on by their fingernails, but the vast market doesn't care about what craft growers care about, and they simply can't compete with the McCannabis operations. Someone even said the other day, "Does anyone even smoke flower, anymore?" The legal market is changing how people consume cannabis.
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I don't know where all of you live, sounds like weed is super cheap. It's not that way here yet. However, even if it was... My electric bill has only gone up $20 a month. Even with me running multiple lights in multiple locations. I'm using Dr earth and supplementing it with kelp and bird shit for the most part... My weed is not the best yet though that's what this journey is about. I'm reusing soil, so it doesn't really get any cheaper than me growing for myself. Currently I'm saving about $600 a month. Sort of a no brainer... Not to mention, I just kinda like it as a hobby... Better than collecting stamps
 
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