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im looking to buy a vac oven that can purge a bunch of oil quick and painlessly. anyone have any links they could share? i know there was a high times with bho dabs as the main theme and there was an ad in it f0r vac oven help a brother out one tyme
 
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Do a search on E-bay. There's usually a variety of them listed. They range from very simple to rather sophisticated. Really depends on what you want to spend and what your needs are. Like yourself I'm interested in picking one of these up and have been doing a little research. Good luck in your search.
 
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ebay has an awesome seller with these. You can also make your own very easily with harbor freight/acryllic/cooking store/home depot.
 
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im looking to buy a vac oven that can purge a bunch of oil quick and painlessly. anyone have any links they could share? i know there was a high times with bho dabs as the main theme and there was an ad in it f0r vac oven help a brother out one tyme

We bought a used Napco vacuum drying oven off E-bay and refurbished the controls, and it works well, but it sure didn't without replacing the controls.

If you google E-Bay vacuum ovens, you will be faced with a plethora of links and possibilities, ranging from relatively cheeep (?), to ghastly expensive.

The important thing to ask, is how accurately the oven controls the temperature at 80F to 130F. Ours will now hold within one degree, but initially wouldn't hold within 50F, with the older controls and both heating elements mounted on the bottom.
 
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We bought a used Napco vacuum drying oven off E-bay and refurbished the controls, and it works well, but it sure didn't without replacing the controls.

If you google E-Bay vacuum ovens, you will be faced with a plethora of links and possibilities, ranging from relatively cheeep (?), to ghastly expensive.

The important thing to ask, is how accurately the oven controls the temperature at 80F to 130F. Ours will now hold within one degree, but initially wouldn't hold within 50F, with the older controls and both heating elements mounted on the bottom.

Thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with the various makes/models of Vac ovens and the choices on Ebay are almost overwhelming to someone who doesn't use this type of equipment professionally or on a daily basis.

The control panels and their ability to accurately control temperature have been my greatest concern, especially with used equipment. How difficult was it to refurbish your unit? Are there any other brands that you recommend? I'm assuming you like the Napco.

Thanks again for the information.
 
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Thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with the various makes/models of Vac ovens and the choices on Ebay are almost overwhelming to someone who doesn't use this type of equipment professionally or on a daily basis.

The control panels and their ability to accurately control temperature have been my greatest concern, especially with used equipment. How difficult was it to refurbish your unit? Are there any other brands that you recommend? I'm assuming you like the Napco.

Thanks again for the information.

I just liked the price on the Napco, but it was built to be a vacuum drying oven, not a solvent purging oven in the ranges that we run.

Sadly I haven't done a survey of what else is available, so I have no recommendations.

Hee, hee, hee, if a manufacturer will donate an oven for testing, we will be more than happy to put them through their paces and report back...........
 
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I just liked the price on the Napco, but it was built to be a vacuum drying oven, not a solvent purging oven in the ranges that we run.

Sadly I haven't done a survey of what else is available, so I have no recommendations.

Hee, hee, hee, if a manufacturer will donate an oven for testing, we will be more than happy to put them through their paces and report back...........

That would be very helpful if you could convince a couple of manufacturers to send you a few vac ovens for testing. I really don't think they are aware of the market that is developing in this regard.

As far as Vac Ovens I think I'll go with a new one as opposed to used.

I found this one on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Ambient-12x12...ilizing/dp/B009WSJNNQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_indust_2

This is a quote from part of the product description:

Best choice for the curing and converting of oil extracts. With deep vacuum level, they can operate at temperatures which allow the degassing/purging process to occur rapidly, thus increase productivity and allow for the production of superior quality products with minimal processing time.

How accurate and reliable it is I don't know. After reading your article on refurbishing a vac oven my concern is how well it will hold consistently at 115 F.

Do you have a recommendation regarding size/type of vacuum pump for these ovens? If you've posted this info on your site I have no problem going back and doing another search.

Thanks again for sharing the knowledge, my results have consistently gotten better with each batch.
 
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acrossinternational.com my homie gets keeps his at 90. dont worry if your end product is sapshatter it takes getting use to. 2 stage 5cfm pump works nice with it.
 
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Excellent, nothing like a reference, thanks. I'll definitely be picking one up along with a 2 stage 5cfm pump. I figured there would be a learning curve, one I'm looking forward to.
 
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I had the opportunity to run an Across International oven, which had a 3/4" marble shelf added to stabilize the temperature, which did a good job in the 100/140F range.

You don't need a two stage pump for what we do, and a single stage can in fact pump low enough to boil off the THC at room temperatures.
 
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May I suggest ya'll do take Cascade TEK up on the offer of discussing vacuum oven technology? Us'n skunk pharmers did, and even toured their facility in Hillsboro, where they not only build the ovens used by NASA in the moon project, but do extensive testing for hire.

We were impressed enough to join with them in a joint Skunk Pharm Research/Cascade TEK R&D program starting in January 2014, to develop the optimum vacuum oven for cannabis concentrate application. More on that after they have finished building our test sled and we have the opportunity to start experimenting and collecting data with it.

One of the key items on the list, besides more precise temperature control at the individual shelf level and precise vacuum control, is instrumentation, so we can sample the exhaust stream and tell when purging is complete. Others include collecting the mono terpenes from the exhaust, and recycling alcohol from cold boiling, as well as a chemically rated vacuum pump.

Joe, SPR's enthusiastic door sized bio technologists, is all smiles and giggles just thinking about it.
 
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Do you have a recommendation regarding size/type of vacuum pump for these ovens? If you've posted this info on your site I have no problem going back and doing another search.

Thanks again for sharing the knowledge, my results have consistently gotten better with each batch.

We like our CPS 6 cfm single stage pump for speed, but a smaller single stage pump will work fine. No need for a two stage.
 
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Across International is the way to go. I have 4 of the 1.9's as a testament. I had a hydrion and although I liked their shelves, the quality just wasn't there. It is pretty easy to have a metal shop make a solid stainless slide in shelf for you. The across is easier to dial in/program, you can lower the heating rate so that opening the door won't overshoot the temp, it is more accurate, etc.

Purging is one area that GW is wildly wrong. Lower temps and thin is key and you will need to run your pumps longer. There is a reason people run massive pumps; not because you need the high cfm but because they pull incredibly low. You are burning off flavorful terps at 115. shoot for 95-10 and, get a good two stage pump that pulls to a very low micron rating (.5-1 micron). not only will you purge quicker, but you can use lower heat and preserve more of the things that we like. :) Now people doing high volume will run higher temps, like 110-115, but their slabs are 80-100 grams.
 
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GW is wrong about any number of things, but usually not wildly, primarily because I regularly do what I preach in front of highly critical audiences, some processing professionals, who touch, smell, and taste. What I recommend, is taking from me what works for you, and discarding what doesn't.

When I heated a puddle under 29.5" vacuum, the bubbles didn't start breaking free until about 115F, and so that appears to be the fastest way to get them out of the oil, and pumping the least amount of time, so as to preserve the monoterpenes, which have a boiling pint above 115F, even under the 29.5" vacuum that I recommend.

I've purged to shatter, and then changed the pump oil and purged to wax, to find that the pump oil smelled as good or better than the extract.

The saving grace of course, is that if you leave all the monoterpenes in place, your extract is harsh and not tasty to vaporize, despite its magnificent odor, because in high concentration the monoterpenes are not all palatable and some are expectorants. We strive to leave enough monoterpenes for the material to taste and smell like what it was extracted from, and be pleasant to vaporize.

I of course also regularly recommend that you never, pump to the 25 micron levels achieved with two stage pumps, because the THC boils off at around 30F at that vacuum level. -29.5" Hg is only about 10, 000 microns, so even a 100 micron single stage pump pumps too low.

As far as AI ovens being the way to go, you may be right, but we had to add a marble shelf to ours to hold the temperature dead band that at least our process requires and the very design has its limitations. I see it as more like the cheapest oven that can be made to adequately do the job, if you don't want to rebuild it and add your own controls.

I'll take that you think so as an indication that for starters, you've also never tested a Cascade TEK oven, and a challenge for Skunk Pharm Research and Cascade TEK to turn their already superior oven, into the standard for the professional cannabis industry, so you have little audience for your opinion.

What we've found in experiment at SPR, is that there are any number of ways to process BHO, some better than others, and virtually without fail the owners of the various processes believe theirs is superior.

Furthermore, after judging concentrates in the Seattle cup, it was readily apparent that most of the folks who thought that, were wrong, and some deeply and horribly wrong.

May I offer three thoughts?

The world is full of folks who are damn sure of things that ain't so. Will Rogers

The fish trap exists only because of the fish. If you catch the same fish, how important is the design of the trap? Buddha?

It is good that we don't all have the same tastes, because us men childs would have killed each other off over the same woman long ago. Graywolf
 
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I am looking into buying the Across International 1.9 Cubic Foot. I was wondering what you thought about the standard 2.5 CFM 60HZ Single Phase that comes with it as an option vs. a Robinairre 15800 8CFM 2 phase, or the one you own Graywolf the CPS 6CFM single stage? I will be doing nice large batches regularly and particularly looking to make a nice clean shatter. Any suggestions? Thanks
 
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Looking to get a nice pump that is fairly quiet and efficient and wont be too extreme to burn any terps or flavor
 
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That is why the AI's are so great for what they are. Sure, everyone would love to drive a ferrari, but we often have to settle on a camry. Also, how much better, if any will a 9k oven really make your product? it quickly becomes a point of diminishing return.

yes, there will be variations in the temp, but not sure marble slabs are required although they can't hurt.

and yes, there are many ways to skin a cat. it is clear you often don't take the route of least difficulty or resistance, whereas most of us are trying to make a living at this. I do appreciate all of your contributions, but you don't have the restrictions most of us have. We need stuff to work and work well enough... I leave it to you to come up with new processes that may or may not work for the rest of us.
 
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how long are you finding thin film purges to take at 95-110? It seems that 115 is about 45 min....would that be variant based on the patty size? thin film is thin film no matter what the area, yes?
 
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