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On the soil... no point in using spm and coir, no point in using perlite and pumice, apply mycos instead of getting mixed in. No point in using oyster and dolomite, no point to having D.E. mixed in ( silica) but buy Potassium Silicate, if you wanna use a bone meal use fish,
There's the dude. Lol. He's correct. Fish bone meal becomes more readily available faster.

@Ceveres
You will be ooohed and ahhhed by all the shit people put in dirt. Coot said it. These are the necessary components, kelp, MBP, and neem. All the other shit is bells and whistles.

My new secret amendment is pine bark fines. $2 a cubic foot. Fancy ehhh?
 
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I got a question. I might have gone overboard but I don't know. Now I'm afraid to plant my clones in this soil mix. I took some Nectar#4 Soil which is prob fine already (here's what's in it)
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And I have all these boxes of dry amendments I'm itching to use lmao!
So to this 1.5cf bag of soil I added
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10cups worm castings
1/2cup diatomatious earth
1cup Alfalfa
1cup neem
1cup kelp meals
Either 1/2 Or 1cup dolomite lime (can't remember)
A bunch of perlite
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I also have a 0-11-0 sea bird guano but was too nervous to use on small clones, figured I'd add that to whatever soil I up-pot into later. I thought that would be ok but I still did a tester before transplanting them all and it looks like this
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Seemed reasonable at the time, but a lot of dumb shit does where you're high lol
What part was over-kill? Or all of it together is?
i would stick with just the bag,,i just dont get the dia earth product unless it is course,every time i used that stuff seems like i just block all the pores of my soil,,now on the other hand,they do have a new product,it is the same stuff ,but it is very course,still does the same thing at cutting there ass up,but easier and more effective i would think,you just put a inch soil in bottom of pot add a inch layer of the course stone and when they try to get threw it dont work out for them,that bag of mix looks great,i wouldnt go over board with the lime though,the lime will equalize your ph ,yes,but these plants like 6.5 better than the 7. and thats what it does nuetral 7.0,got to keep in mind that nitrogen does get you some green healthy plants,but too much will lead to explosive growth and plants,but when you get wind or rain the plant will just lay down,no strength if you dig,i could take you to fields of corn to show you what i mean,that tall free standing corn taller than the neighbors,looks great and you can brag about how much better your crop is,but let it rain,your tall slender corn to his stumpy not so tall corn,when the rain gone ,yours be laying on it side m,his be standing and more than likely by the time you can if you can manage to get your to stand back up,his will be taller,,im stupid as hell but just seems to me the whole NPK shit is over sold,no really,the casting and all the others your putting in is the nitrogen and can be top dressed in or feed in,plus you have the air we breath,,but ya,confused the hell out me so i dont really pay that much attention to it,,the ION soil test is great to get you to usable levels of the soil sample provided,but to much stuff leads to what leachs out,nit being the worse,so a on going payday for nitrogen products keep flurishing,hahah,,build you some soil with the magic of microbes and let them do the work,,it isnt easily acomplished at first,more trail and era ,and boy have i had errors lmao,,with my weed i will work it hard,my veggies i cant,i have to much to handle so the soil network has to do it,except the challenge and prevail bro,but your sure enough on the right road,to making your own nutrients and soil mix that best work for you
 
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I find myself becoming less and less fancy. I love the hydro shop. The guy can tell you about this rad new product guaranteed to double yields.

I am always feeling like I need to go to the feed store or something! I remind myself that my plants and soil have what they need. LITFA [leave it the fuck alone] less is more
 
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@Ceveres
I didn't realize you mixed it. Let me check those ratios.
correct me if im wrong,but doesnt perlite already have a lime base to it,i always thought it did,i like all that he using but the lime,but again everyone tells the same story,if you using peatmoss gotta have dolimite,i disagree with this,lime is just like many other amends to the soil,if my plant is talking to me ,saying it needs it,then i work it in,i have seen so many mixtures of stuff over the years,8 out of 10 come back later with ph issues,lime will set you at nuetral but is still to high for weed in soil ,just my opinion,now when season is done and about every 4 years or even earlier if the soil aint jiving,i will lime my garden,but i have limed my weed only 1 time in my past,and it didnt help imediatly like i wanted it too,it also has to be cooked in for the benifits,,now if he was gonna cook all these and the mix,go hard might be on to something and not even know it,,what i usally do,is drop my seeds in some ocean forest,then i build my soil ,amend and cook in the summer heat for following grow,,i dont grow a lot though,when im sitting on 2 lbs ,i dont grow again till im down to half pound and ramp back up,i dont smoke alot though,so we talking a year at least,,you guy that do perpetual and all difrent critter if you dig,,when i was banging the shit out,i had several totes of cooked soil and several reclaimed,i use the cook twice and reamend and just keep rotation going,,the key to soil is easy ,critters doing the job,keep um happy they will get you high,lmao regaurdless of anyone saying there is no difrence in taste of soil grown over water grown,it all bullshit soil weed is the tops,and even when they putting all the crap they do into the feed cycle,with soil even though they ruining it with some these things,there dirt still filter out some them chemicals,,i was just gifted a lid,oz,zip whatever you youngsters call it today,even with it grown in soil,i cant hardly smoke it,harsh as hell,he used blue planet nutrients,oh shit,i appreciate him gifting it to me,but damn i had to mix a salad with it,hahah critter grown vs nutrient grown in soil big difrence,so anyone saying all this is crap,,do a side by side of critter grown and nutrient grown in soil and holler back,big difrence,,you will never convince me of outdoor vs indoor,,hands down outdoor cannot be beat,just takes longer but the sweetness can sure enough give you many happy thoughts,lmao
 
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correct me if im wrong,but doesnt perlite already have a lime base to it,i always thought it did,i like all that he using but the lime,but again everyone tells the same story,if you using peatmoss gotta have dolimite,i disagree with this,lime is just like many other amends to the soil,if my plant is talking to me ,saying it needs it,then i work it in,i have seen so many mixtures of stuff over the years,8 out of 10 come back later with ph issues,lime will set you at nuetral but is still to high for weed in soil ,just my opinion,now when season is done and about every 4 years or even earlier if the soil aint jiving,i will lime my garden,but i have limed my weed only 1 time in my past,and it didnt help imediatly like i wanted it too,it also has to be cooked in for the benifits,,now if he was gonna cook all these and the mix,go hard might be on to something and not even know it,,what i usally do,is drop my seeds in some ocean forest,then i build my soil ,amend and cook in the summer heat for following grow,,i dont grow a lot though,when im sitting on 2 lbs ,i dont grow again till im down to half pound and ramp back up,i dont smoke alot though,so we talking a year at least,,you guy that do perpetual and all difrent critter if you dig,,when i was banging the shit out,i had several totes of cooked soil and several reclaimed,i use the cook twice and reamend and just keep rotation going,,the key to soil is easy ,critters doing the job,keep um happy they will get you high,lmao regaurdless of anyone saying there is no difrence in taste of soil grown over water grown,it all bullshit soil weed is the tops,and even when they putting all the crap they do into the feed cycle,with soil even though they ruining it with some these things,there dirt still filter out some them chemicals,,i was just gifted a lid,oz,zip whatever you youngsters call it today,even with it grown in soil,i cant hardly smoke it,harsh as hell,he used blue planet nutrients,oh shit,i appreciate him gifting it to me,but damn i had to mix a salad with it,hahah critter grown vs nutrient grown in soil big difrence,so anyone saying all this is crap,,do a side by side of critter grown and nutrient grown in soil and holler back,big difrence,,you will never convince me of outdoor vs indoor,,hands down outdoor cannot be beat,just takes longer but the sweetness can sure enough give you many happy thoughts,lmao
Perlite is a silicate. Carbonates for liming. Calcite, dolo, oyster shell, crab meal
 
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correct me if im wrong,but doesnt perlite already have a lime base to it,i always thought it did,i like all that he using but the lime,but again everyone tells the same story,if you using peatmoss gotta have dolimite,i disagree with this,lime is just like many other amends to the soil,if my plant is talking to me ,saying it needs it,then i work it in,i have seen so many mixtures of stuff over the years,8 out of 10 come back later with ph issues,lime will set you at nuetral but is still to high for weed in soil ,just my opinion,now when season is done and about every 4 years or even earlier if the soil aint jiving,i will lime my garden,but i have limed my weed only 1 time in my past,and it didnt help imediatly like i wanted it too,it also has to be cooked in for the benifits,,now if he was gonna cook all these and the mix,go hard might be on to something and not even know it,,what i usally do,is drop my seeds in some ocean forest,then i build my soil ,amend and cook in the summer heat for following grow,,i dont grow a lot though,when im sitting on 2 lbs ,i dont grow again till im down to half pound and ramp back up,i dont smoke alot though,so we talking a year at least,,you guy that do perpetual and all difrent critter if you dig,,when i was banging the shit out,i had several totes of cooked soil and several reclaimed,i use the cook twice and reamend and just keep rotation going,,the key to soil is easy ,critters doing the job,keep um happy they will get you high,lmao regaurdless of anyone saying there is no difrence in taste of soil grown over water grown,it all bullshit soil weed is the tops,and even when they putting all the crap they do into the feed cycle,with soil even though they ruining it with some these things,there dirt still filter out some them chemicals,,i was just gifted a lid,oz,zip whatever you youngsters call it today,even with it grown in soil,i cant hardly smoke it,harsh as hell,he used blue planet nutrients,oh shit,i appreciate him gifting it to me,but damn i had to mix a salad with it,hahah critter grown vs nutrient grown in soil big difrence,so anyone saying all this is crap,,do a side by side of critter grown and nutrient grown in soil and holler back,big difrence,,you will never convince me of outdoor vs indoor,,hands down outdoor cannot be beat,just takes longer but the sweetness can sure enough give you many happy thoughts,lmao
Peat and dolomite is another myth but you do have to use something though, I prefer oyster.
The problem with dolomite is the calcium magnesium ratio.
Lava rock and pumice better than perlite
 
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Peat and dolomite is another myth but you do have to use something though, I prefer oyster.
The problem with dolomite is the calcium magnesium ratio.
Lava rock and pumice better than perlite
i prefer vermiculite,doesnt blow around lmao,,but what i was trying to say is,folk that use the lime for the magic bullet,i just dont see were they come up with it,i use oyster shell meal myself along with chittin,tell ya i stopped the damn calcium crap in my tomatoe bed,i mix 1 tbsp of crushed egg shell to 2 tbsp of cider vinegar,and i put down some compost,spoon that mix in add a 2 in layer of compost then a inch of soil and plant them bitchs,havent had blossum end rot since,thought about a try with weed,but havent got around to it,im not wild about the cal mag thing at all,oyster flour also provide this
 
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You're heavy on the alfalfa, skip dolomite lime next time, use crushed oyster shell and gypsum. Good move on the guano
On the soil... no point in using spm and coir, no point in using perlite and pumice, apply mycos instead of getting mixed in. No point in using oyster and dolomite, no point to having D.E. mixed in ( silica) but buy Potassium Silicate, if you wanna use a bone meal use fish,
This was a purchased bag of soil I added to. Everything I added, i already had. I've had the same 50# bag of dolomite lime for 5+ years. Bought it when I started growing for $13 barely any gone still (granted I didn't grow for a few years).
Seeing the redundancies in that prefab soil is pretty crazy when you put it like that. Obviously Myco's is a sales tactic because they have to come in contact with roots to be effective. I add Myco's when I transplant directly on roots or in hole. I didn't know what DE was for. Just kinda added it. Stupid now that I know it's for silicate bc I already use Protekt in veg, and it seems to really only help gnats when sprinkled on top. Once it's wet I don't think it's effective.

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This was a purchased bag of soil I added to. Everything I added, i already had. I've had the same 50# bag of dolomite lime for 5+ years. Bought it when I started growing for $13 barely any gone still (granted I didn't grow for a few years).
Seeing the redundancies in that prefab soil is pretty crazy when you put it like that. Obviously Myco's is a sales tactic because they have to come in contact with roots to be effective. I add Myco's when I transplant directly on roots or in hole. I didn't know what DE was for. Just kinda added it. Stupid now that I know it's for silicate bc I already use Protekt in veg, and it seems to really only help gnats when sprinkled on top. Once it's wet I don't think it's effective.

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hey it just me,i think it clogs up the air passages,i might just be over doing it,nothing wrong with it i guess if you have problems,the new course granular stuff i would use,but just in bottom of pot,a good friend that has since pass,taught me a trick in coco,put cheese cloth in bottom of pot to keep crawlers and flyers out,it worked but was too damn messy for me,lmao
 
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hey it just me,i think it clogs up the air passages,i might just be over doing it,nothing wrong with it i guess if you have problems,the new course granular stuff i would use,but just in bottom of pot,a good friend that has since pass,taught me a trick in coco,put cheese cloth in bottom of pot to keep crawlers and flyers out,it worked but was too damn messy for me,lmao

Cheese cloth is clever, ove heard of using hydroton balls on the bottoms for drainage, and sand o
i would stick with just the bag,,i just dont get the dia earth product unless it is course,every time i used that stuff seems like i just block all the pores of my soil,,now on the other hand,they do have a new product,it is the same stuff ,but it is very course,still does the same thing at cutting there ass up,but easier and more effective i would think,you just put a inch soil in bottom of pot add a inch layer of the course stone and when they try to get threw it dont work out for them,that bag of mix looks great,i wouldnt go over board with the lime though,the lime will equalize your ph ,yes,but these plants like 6.5 better than the 7. and thats what it does nuetral 7.0,got to keep in mind that nitrogen does get you some green healthy plants,but too much will lead to explosive growth and plants,but when you get wind or rain the plant will just lay down,no strength if you dig,i could take you to fields of corn to show you what i mean,that tall free standing corn taller than the neighbors,looks great and you can brag about how much better your crop is,but let it rain,your tall slender corn to his stumpy not so tall corn,when the rain gone ,yours be laying on it side m,his be standing and more than likely by the time you can if you can manage to get your to stand back up,his will be taller,,im stupid as hell but just seems to me the whole NPK shit is over sold,no really,the casting and all the others your putting in is the nitrogen and can be top dressed in or feed in,plus you have the air we breath,,but ya,confused the hell out me so i dont really pay that much attention to it,,the ION soil test is great to get you to usable levels of the soil sample provided,but to much stuff leads to what leachs out,nit being the worse,so a on going payday for nitrogen products keep flurishing,hahah,,build you some soil with the magic of microbes and let them do the work,,it isnt easily acomplished at first,more trail and era ,and boy have i had errors lmao,,with my weed i will work it hard,my veggies i cant,i have to much to handle so the soil network has to do it,except the challenge and prevail bro,but your sure enough on the right road,to making your own nutrients and soil mix that best work for you

I'll have to take a look at that course DE stuff.. is it like gnatrol or something? I totally understand what you mean about nitrogen creating tall weak plants. Urea is possibly the worst form of N. It creates weak cell structure. They might grow fast with it, but they won't be strong healthy plants.

This soil has been "cold cooking" in my basement, in a big tub with a lid, for a few weeks. I added about a gallon of water to it and have been turning it occasionally.

I think ill take the new bag i bought, mix in about 1/4 of the other bag that I f*cked up. Add maybe a few more cups EWC and plant my clones in that. I'll just save the remaining hot soil and maybe add a 1/4 Or 1/2 cup high P sea bird guano and use it when I up pot the clones into their final home.

I find myself becoming less and less fancy. I love the hydro shop. The guy can tell you about this rad new product guaranteed to double yields.

I am always feeling like I need to go to the feed store or something! I remind myself that my plants and soil have what they need. LITFA [leave it the fuck alone] less is more

That's ultimately what I am trying to do is simplify everything, but change isn't always easy or smooth. Besides I don't think I have the knowledge to do what I want to do. But I've found it to work out in the end if I dive in head first wether I'm ready or not.
 
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I didn't realize you mixed it. I agree with @brazel but seeing that you have it mixed you will need to cut that. Add another gallon of EWC and adjust aeration accordingly.

What would have been acceptable amounts of those amendments into 1.5cf? I've heard of people using 50% EWC so I didn't even think it was possible to go overboard with them. I brew 1cup Alfalfa and 1/4 kelp in 5gals water and they love it so I thought those would be fine.

If I add the other bag in to dilute the mix in half, would that do the trick?
 
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Cheese cloth is clever, ove heard of using hydroton balls on the bottoms for drainage, and sand o


I'll have to take a look at that course DE stuff.. is it like gnatrol or something? I totally understand what you mean about nitrogen creating tall weak plants. Urea is possibly the worst form of N. It creates weak cell structure. They might grow fast with it, but they won't be strong healthy plants.

This soil has been "cold cooking" in my basement, in a big tub with a lid, for a few weeks. I added about a gallon of water to it and have been turning it occasionally.

I think ill take the new bag i bought, mix in about 1/4 of the other bag that I f*cked up. Add maybe a few more cups EWC and plant my clones in that. I'll just save the remaining hot soil and maybe add a 1/4 Or 1/2 cup high P sea bird guano and use it when I up pot the clones into their final home.



That's ultimately what I am trying to do is simplify everything, but change isn't always easy or smooth. Besides I don't think I have the knowledge to do what I want to do. But I've found it to work out in the end if I dive in head first wether I'm ready or not.
i would just use the bag of stuff you pictured,look good to me,i dont think you screwed the other up either,just do as you say and put a bit of the bag soil in with it,,hell i go straight into ocean forest with my beans,never had any burn up as every one says,too hot,,too hot for what,if my beans cant handle humus,wood and ewc,i dont want it,cause thats all these bag soils are,some thin with perlite,some wood chips,but it all the same,comes down to the humus,i like to take any new soil i use and cook it,i do this in summer,about every other week go out toss it around,do this to the first frezze warning,then i lay that shit out a inch thin on a tarp,let it frezze it ass off,kills any larvae you might have had cooking or composting,then close it up in a tote for use,inside if you dig,,but i looked at that bag and all looks great to me,i got a friend that grows in straight perlite,so you cant mess it up,just perfect it dig
 
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i would just use the bag of stuff you pictured,look good to me,i dont think you screwed the other up either,just do as you say and put a bit of the bag soil in with it,,hell i go straight into ocean forest with my beans,never had any burn up as every one says,too hot,,too hot for what,if my beans cant handle humus,wood and ewc,i dont want it,cause thats all these bag soils are,some thin with perlite,some wood chips,but it all the same,comes down to the humus,i like to take any new soil i use and cook it,i do this in summer,about every other week go out toss it around,do this to the first frezze warning,then i lay that shit out a inch thin on a tarp,let it frezze it ass off,kills any larvae you might have had cooking or composting,then close it up in a tote for use,inside if you dig,,but i looked at that bag and all looks great to me,i got a friend that grows in straight perlite,so you cant mess it up,just perfect it dig
Nice thanks! You think if I brew up an ACT and water it into that soil, it will start breaking some of that down and "cool" it off? Bc it will probably have some time to sit now. I know guys use oats to cook their soil right?
 
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Nice thanks! You think if I brew up an ACT and water it into that soil, it will start breaking some of that down and "cool" it off? Bc it will probably have some time to sit now. I know guys use oats to cook their soil right?
yep oats will have mycelium growing in there in no time
 
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Straight up Quaker oats you bake with right out of the can? How much in 1.5cf? And is 60°F warm enough room temp?
just throw some on top,week later check and put more,really it just showing life can be had with your mix,thing is you want condensation to build up under lid,just droplets,a little water every couple weeks all it takes,60 kinda cold but give it a try,,far as the oats go,i use 33 gal totes for my mix till use,so i just sprinkle the oats on top of the soil,let it work,hahahh,if you got mycelium you got fungi,yep yep
 
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just throw some on top,week later check and put more,really it just showing life can be had with your mix,thing is you want condensation to build up under lid,just droplets,a little water every couple weeks all it takes,60 kinda cold but give it a try,,far as the oats go,i use 33 gal totes for my mix till use,so i just sprinkle the oats on top of the soil,let it work,hahahh,if you got mycelium you got fungi,yep yep
Can you blend it up and use it as top feeding? Or does it need to ferment in the batch soil. I top feed coffee grounds, epsom and egg shells in the middle of veg. Don't know if it helps, just something I do.
 
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