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Aqua Man

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@Aqua Man Yeo, I read that the Jacks has no Silica. Been using the S. blast as an add in but proportionately ive been feeding the same of that as I am each piece of the Jacks. So if I use 30pct of Jacks then anything else I throw in ive also been running 30 pct of the per gallon recommended.

Should I up the amount of silica or keep it in line with the proportionate amount of everything else?
So imo you want to mix everything full dose and then dilute. But by that you can say instead if doing 20 gal and want a 50% reduction you add enough of each for 10 gal.

The reason is to keep the ratios in good order. With that said silicon isn't one that has a large impact on other nutrients uptake or availability and if anything can help availability so you can feed at full dosenif you like.
 
workngrow

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So imo you want to mix everything full dose and then dilute. But by that you can say instead if doing 20 gal and want a 50% reduction you add enough of each for 10 gal.

The reason is to keep the ratios in good order. With that said silicon isn't one that has a large impact on other nutrients uptake or availability and if anything can help availability so you can feed at full dosenif you like.

Alrighty.

What I have been doing so far is just percentage based of what the recipe calls for.

So if I add all the below doses to a gallon in my tap water it = 2250ppm or so. I just figure what target I want to hit systemwide.

3.6 grams Part A
2.4 grams Part B
1.1 grams of Epsom salts
+ Silica B

So if the target is 450ppm, that's 20% of 2250.

2250ppm X .20 = 450

For that 450 target I would take all the doses x .20 x volume of water.

For top offs similar math. Its usually landed a bit higher than the exact target but its more often than not above just 50 or 100ppm. After topping it off a few times judging by the percentages and the end result I've just started to get a more instinctive feel for what percent will get me to that 5-600 range.

My math skills aren't incredibly on point, just from a logic basis this was the easiest for me to apply.

Ill hit it with the full dose of silica for a couple weeks and see how they react.
 
ComfortablyNumb

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When you sit down to the table I'm going to serve you a pill that has all the nutes you need. Are you happy?
The plant needs what it needs when it needs it. If you don't mix everything full then cut it, you change how many pills you get instead of just getting a heaping plate of food.
 
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When you sit down to the table I'm going to serve you a pill that has all the nutes you need. Are you happy?
The plant needs what it needs when it needs it. If you don't mix everything full then cut it, you change how many pills you get instead of just getting a heaping plate of food.

Logically im thinking that because the dosage = a certain ppm that they can either/or be reduced proportionately by percentage and end in the same place. Ultimately it results in dilution because I am calculating a percentage based dose per supplement into a concentrate of just a few gallons and then distributing it to the entire system as a whole. So proportionately im led to believe from a ratio perspective of nutrients the concoction is the same, just weakened to a concentration of where the desired end result is from a ppm perspective.
 
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You did a good job pruning. Anything that is not getting direct light is fair game for removal to me. Some people have told me to not take off leaves just branches and nodes but I usually clear it all out. As for taking off fan leaves up top, people feel different ways about it. Some people will tell you to never remove any fan leaves. I think at a certain point if your plants are healthy and producing it is mostly personal preference.
 
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Logically im thinking that because the dosage = a certain ppm that they can either/or be reduced proportionately by percentage and end in the same place. Ultimately it results in dilution because I am calculating a percentage based dose per supplement into a concentrate of just a few gallons and then distributing it to the entire system as a whole. So proportionately im led to believe from a ratio perspective of nutrients the concoction is the same, just weakened to a concentration of where the desired end result is from a ppm perspective.
Very true. You are 100% correct. So, Why would we say do it all at once other than the ratio reason? (Forgive me but I see a brain and I must challenge.)
 
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Also, still learning at this point I guess what nutrients specifically should be limited at what times. Did not think I would be digging this deep for the first go but I like to maximize what I do.
You did a good job pruning. Anything that is not getting direct light is fair game for removal to me. Some people have told me to not take off leaves just branches and nodes but I usually clear it all out. As for taking off fan leaves up top, people feel different ways about it. Some people will tell you to never remove any fan leaves. I think at a certain point if your plants are healthy and producing it is mostly personal preference.

Yea I just kind of pruned the fan leaves where they were heavily overlapping each other. From moisture transpiring there have been leaves under leaves that have built up visible wet leaves at times. I think its called guttation? Saw this listed on a post somewhere else. If the goal is airflow through the plant then it seems taking a selective approach is the happy medium.

Guttation is the appearance of little droplets of liquid on the leaves of plants. Some people notice it on their houseplants and expect the worst. Although unsettling the first time it happens, guttation in plants is completely natural and not harmful.Dec 6, 2020
 
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Very true. You are 100% correct. So, Why would we say do it all at once other than the ratio reason? (Forgive me but I see a brain and I must challenge.)
I think the difference I am learning slowly here is that some nutes can be and should be thrown in larger or whatever the standard dose is. The nute game has been slightly deceptive and if we dig into it deep its super technical. Probably the most technical aspect of how this whole process is done.

So in this case I was probably under-dosing the silica and I might have had a suspicion of that but Aqua basically confirmed for me that I dont need to treat it with the same ratio as the rest of the nutes.
 
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I think the difference I am learning slowly here is that some nutes can be and should be thrown in larger or whatever the standard dose is. The nute game has been slightly deceptive and if we dig into it deep its super technical. Probably the most technical aspect of how this whole process is done.

So in this case I was probably under-dosing the silica and I might have had a suspicion of that but Aqua basically confirmed for me that I dont need to treat it with the same ratio as the rest of the nutes.
On top of that just being blind to whats actually in the Jacks vs. what other macro/micros are needed at what times to super tailor a process for a min/maxed result.
 
workngrow

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I love it when the light goes on!👏

Yea I mean the main eye opener from the beginning was the prospect of throwing out every feeding guide for the majority of nutrients and seed sites. Everyone calling for monstrous levels of PPM at certain times, a lot of folks feeding that heavy and the idea that its just not necessary is a huge deal from a nute cost standpoint.
 
Aqua Man

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Alrighty.

What I have been doing so far is just percentage based of what the recipe calls for.

So if I add all the below doses to a gallon in my tap water it = 2250ppm or so. I just figure what target I want to hit systemwide.

3.6 grams Part A
2.4 grams Part B
1.1 grams of Epsom salts
+ Silica B

So if the target is 450ppm, that's 20% of 2250.

2250ppm X .20 = 450

For that 450 target I would take all the doses x .20 x volume of water.

For top offs similar math. Its usually landed a bit higher than the exact target but its more often than not above just 50 or 100ppm. After topping it off a few times judging by the percentages and the end result I've just started to get a more instinctive feel for what percent will get me to that 5-600 range.

My math skills aren't incredibly on point, just from a logic basis this was the easiest for me to apply.

Ill hit it with the full dose of silica for a couple weeks and see how they react.
That's likely due to the ppm of your water source.
 
Aqua Man

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Logically im thinking that because the dosage = a certain ppm that they can either/or be reduced proportionately by percentage and end in the same place. Ultimately it results in dilution because I am calculating a percentage based dose per supplement into a concentrate of just a few gallons and then distributing it to the entire system as a whole. So proportionately im led to believe from a ratio perspective of nutrients the concoction is the same, just weakened to a concentration of where the desired end result is from a ppm perspective.
Absolutely.... you keep your ratios good and feed at the ppm you need for stage of growth.
 
workngrow

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The nute game is crazy. So much money for stuff that's mostly not needed.

Yea between that and inflated cost per nutes when I priced out liquid nutes it was probably 20x more in cost than what I am using right now. Literally just the jacks regimen, silicon, and hydroguard with some slight ph up or down as needed but I only adjust PH on top offs and really only have to use a teaspoon or 2 at a time.
 

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