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Jackstraw215

Jackstraw215

Just to firther clarify things, essentially there was a deadline to have cultivation permits in by the end of 2016..,I want to get on board with getting a permit. I'm all for doing a grow cowboy style but my investor is someone outside of the cannabis community and they are gonna want to be pretty by the book, at least to a point where we can have enough legal protection to feel secure. So I'm imagining that means starting a collective and operating that way until we secure permits.
 
mojavegreen

mojavegreen

So i have a question for you california gardeners. Have any of you seen wonderland nursery? If so what are your thoughts? I would be extremely happy to have someone like jodrey in my homestate during what you guys are going through atm.
I would but I'd burn everything thing I wore to the visit!
 
visajoe1

visajoe1

Just to firther clarify things, essentially there was a deadline to have cultivation permits in by the end of 2016..,I want to get on board with getting a permit. I'm all for doing a grow cowboy style but my investor is someone outside of the cannabis community and they are gonna want to be pretty by the book, at least to a point where we can have enough legal protection to feel secure. So I'm imagining that means starting a collective and operating that way until we secure permits.
what regulations are you trying to operate under in CA? medical is the only system operating now for growing. rec systems wont be in place until sometime next year at the earliest, for growing only. I dont even think rec sales will be allowed until 2023 at the earliest because the testing permits wont be available to apply for until 2023.Tracking and testing is required for rec sales. Its going to be a long wait.

The below categories will be available when the BMC (Bureau of Marijuana Control) is created. There is 12 total permit types.

I recommend anyone that is interested in CA, read the law first
http://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2016/general/en/pdf/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop64


(1) Type 1, or “specialty outdoor,” for outdoor cultivation using no artificial lighting of less than or equal to 5,000 square feet of total canopy size on one premises, or up to 50 mature plants on noncontiguous plots.

(2) Type 1A, or “specialty indoor,” for indoor cultivation using exclusively artificial lighting of between 501 and 5,000 square feet of total canopy size on one premises.

(3) Type 1B, or “specialty mixed-light,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, of between 2,501 and 5,000 square feet of total canopy size on one premises.

(4) Type 1C, or “specialty cottage,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, of 2,500 square feet or less of total canopy size for mixed-light cultivation, up to 25 mature plants for outdoor cultivation, or 500 square feet or less of total canopy size for indoor cultivation, on one premises.

(5) Type 2, or “small outdoor,” for outdoor cultivation using no artificial lighting between 5,001 and 10,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises.

(6) Type 2A, or “small indoor,” for indoor cultivation using exclusively artificial lighting between 5,001 and 10,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises.

(7) Type 2B, or “small mixed-light,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, between 5,001 and 10,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises.

(8) Type 3, or “outdoor,” for outdoor cultivation using no artificial lighting from 10,001 square feet to one acre, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises. The Department of Food and Agriculture shall limit the number of licenses allowed of this type.

(9) Type 3A, or “indoor,” for indoor cultivation using exclusively artificial lighting between 10,001 and 22,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises. The Department of Food and Agriculture shall limit the number of licenses allowed of this type.

(10) Type 3B, or “mixed-light,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, between 10,001 and 22,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises. The Department of Food and Agriculture shall limit the number of licenses allowed of this type.

(11) Type 4, or “nursery,” for cultivation of medical cannabis solely as a nursery. Type 4 licensees may transport live plants, if the licensee also holds a Type 12 transporter license issued pursuant to this chapter.
 
Jackstraw215

Jackstraw215

what regulations are you trying to operate under in CA? medical is the only system operating now for growing. rec systems wont be in place until sometime next year at the earliest, for growing only. I dont even think rec sales will be allowed until 2023 at the earliest because the testing permits wont be available to apply for until 2023.Tracking and testing is required for rec sales. Its going to be a long wait.

The below categories will be available when the BMC (Bureau of Marijuana Control) is created. There is 12 total permit types.

I recommend anyone that is interested in CA, read the law first
http://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2016/general/en/pdf/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop64


(1) Type 1, or “specialty outdoor,” for outdoor cultivation using no artificial lighting of less than or equal to 5,000 square feet of total canopy size on one premises, or up to 50 mature plants on noncontiguous plots.

(2) Type 1A, or “specialty indoor,” for indoor cultivation using exclusively artificial lighting of between 501 and 5,000 square feet of total canopy size on one premises.

(3) Type 1B, or “specialty mixed-light,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, of between 2,501 and 5,000 square feet of total canopy size on one premises.

(4) Type 1C, or “specialty cottage,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, of 2,500 square feet or less of total canopy size for mixed-light cultivation, up to 25 mature plants for outdoor cultivation, or 500 square feet or less of total canopy size for indoor cultivation, on one premises.

(5) Type 2, or “small outdoor,” for outdoor cultivation using no artificial lighting between 5,001 and 10,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises.

(6) Type 2A, or “small indoor,” for indoor cultivation using exclusively artificial lighting between 5,001 and 10,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises.

(7) Type 2B, or “small mixed-light,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, between 5,001 and 10,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises.

(8) Type 3, or “outdoor,” for outdoor cultivation using no artificial lighting from 10,001 square feet to one acre, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises. The Department of Food and Agriculture shall limit the number of licenses allowed of this type.

(9) Type 3A, or “indoor,” for indoor cultivation using exclusively artificial lighting between 10,001 and 22,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises. The Department of Food and Agriculture shall limit the number of licenses allowed of this type.

(10) Type 3B, or “mixed-light,” for cultivation using a combination of natural and supplemental artificial lighting at a maximum threshold to be determined by the licensing authority, between 10,001 and 22,000 square feet, inclusive, of total canopy size on one premises. The Department of Food and Agriculture shall limit the number of licenses allowed of this type.

(11) Type 4, or “nursery,” for cultivation of medical cannabis solely as a nursery. Type 4 licensees may transport live plants, if the licensee also holds a Type 12 transporter license issued pursuant to this chapter.
I have read the permit types already and I understand that it's taking time to go into place but I want to know if there is a way to establish our grow and get it as legitimized as possible this year as to avoid legal issues. I know registering as a collective and going through that process may be possible with acquisition of a "grandfathered" property and I have seen listings That have just that. I would just like to know some opinions on what you would do in my situation where I have an investor that might initially invest $100-250k, but with the ability to secure financing for property that is turnkey with permits already applied for at 400-500k (if I can convince them to go that route and finance something that large). Otherwise I could try to lease a turnkey that is registered if they only want to invest $100-250k period. The thing is that they will not want to invest if we can't come up with a way to be compliant enough for them to not be risking losing everything. At least with land purchase we would see an increase in value of property if we decide to quit growing. I am meeting with a consulting firm in humboldt regardless but I also respect the opinions of many people on here from the invaluable information they have provided.
 
visajoe1

visajoe1

I have read the permit types already and I understand that it's taking time to go into place but I want to know if there is a way to establish our grow and get it as legitimized as possible this year as to avoid legal issues. I know registering as a collective and going through that process may be possible with acquisition of a "grandfathered" property and I have seen listings That have just that. I would just like to know some opinions on what you would do in my situation where I have an investor that might initially invest $100-250k, but with the ability to secure financing for property that is turnkey with permits already applied for at 400-500k (if I can convince them to go that route and finance something that large). Otherwise I could try to lease a turnkey that is registered if they only want to invest $100-250k period. The thing is that they will not want to invest if we can't come up with a way to be compliant enough for them to not be risking losing everything. At least with land purchase we would see an increase in value of property if we decide to quit growing. I am meeting with a consulting firm in humboldt regardless but I also respect the opinions of many people on here from the invaluable information they have provided.
I'm with ya now. Well, if there is cash to burn and you want to get into something ASAP, then I would look into buying an existing compliant operation and leasing any land or space you need. The real estate play is a long term move, and if your investor is a bit skittish now, its probably best to avoid that scenario IMO. If you're spending money on advice, make sure you spend more on lawyers than consultants.

What may take some time though is finding a viable business to buy. There is still a lot of illegal storefront shops operating and you wouldnt want to get stuck holding that bag. Therefore, you want to talk to lawyers that know the various county/city regulations and where there is opportunity for you. You could also look into buying a delivery only service.

However, if you are stuck on doing something in Humboldt, its probably only a long term move. You'll want to get your land now for rec grows and just wait patiently. Not to say you couldnt get your feet wet in medical while Humboldt simmers on the back burner. Beautiful land up there
 
Jackstraw215

Jackstraw215

I'm with ya now. Well, if there is cash to burn and you want to get into something ASAP, then I would look into buying an existing compliant operation and leasing any land or space you need. The real estate play is a long term move, and if your investor is a bit skittish now, its probably best to avoid that scenario IMO. If you're spending money on advice, make sure you spend more on lawyers than consultants.

What may take some time though is finding a viable business to buy. There is still a lot of illegal storefront shops operating and you wouldnt want to get stuck holding that bag. Therefore, you want to talk to lawyers that know the various county/city regulations and where there is opportunity for you. You could also look into buying a delivery only service.

However, if you are stuck on doing something in Humboldt, its probably only a long term move. You'll want to get your land now for rec grows and just wait patiently. Not to say you couldnt get your feet wet in medical while Humboldt simmers on the back burner. Beautiful land up there
I'm not really stuck on Humboldt at all. It sounds like you're confirming what I was already thinking so indeed lawyers are going to play a big role in this. Do you think even a budget of $100-200k would be enough to step foot into this? I know if I had the money I would be going about it differently but I don't want to take risks that could lose this person big money or put them in a situation that makes them uncomfortable. I know we can make a lot of the investment money back in the first 4 months from depo's so that's another thing I'm going to be telling them.

Do you believe I could lease this property as is and beging growing since they have the permits in place?

http://humboldt.craigslist.org/reo/5998541565.html
 
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Jackstraw215

Jackstraw215

Don't forget the micro business license, soon here with AUMA!
:cool:
Hmm yes, 10,000 square ft. But that's the entire area the grow takes up including the space between plants right? 1 acre is 43560 sq ft so I don't think that's what this person is looking for. I would be stoked on that size for myself but I think the investor would be looking to go a bit larger.
 
mojavegreen

mojavegreen

I like it because it is farm to consumer. No middleman. I can grow Enough weed in a 10,000 sq ft greenhouse to keep me busy.
 
visajoe1

visajoe1

I'm not really stuck on Humboldt at all. It sounds like you're confirming what I was already thinking so indeed lawyers are going to play a big role in this. Do you think even a budget of $100-200k would be enough to step foot into this? I know if I had the money I would be going about it differently but I don't want to take risks that could lose this person big money or put them in a situation that makes them uncomfortable. I know we can make a lot of the investment money back in the first 4 months from depo's so that's another thing I'm going to be telling them.

Do you believe I could lease this property as is and beging growing since they have the permits in place?

http://humboldt.craigslist.org/reo/5998541565.html
Not enough info to tell in that listing, and its craigslist. Sure, 200k can get you in, but it would be on the lower end of the spectrum. Its easy to spend 200k real quick getting a business going, so you're purchase/lease budget is probably 150k. You'll need at least 50k for all the paperwork and supplies you'll require. Sorry I'm not giving better news.
 
Jackstraw215

Jackstraw215

Not enough info to tell in that listing, and its craigslist. Sure, 200k can get you in, but it would be on the lower end of the spectrum. Its easy to spend 200k real quick getting a business going, so you're purchase/lease budget is probably 150k. You'll need at least 50k for all the paperwork and supplies you'll require. Sorry I'm not giving better news.
I expected something simillar to what you're saying for costs. So let's take a step back.. You could potentially do quite a bit with a cottage type scenario with 10000sq/ft if it was all side by side greenhouses so you can light dep and different times I'm thinking? And have a "farm to table" type situation... That would be pretty cool too...
 
visajoe1

visajoe1

@Jackstraw215 -- right now I think if you're hot to get going, you're really going to want to look at California City. They're the ones with the most possibilities right now. After that, Adelanto and Desert Hot Springs.
I'm curious to see how things will play out growing wise in these communities. Those cities are all in desert areas. Prop 64 requires the water source to be certified and approved for cannabis use. I could easily see this becoming a political issue forcing water districts to limit/control water availability to growers in these/similar areas. There is a significant population in CA that think farmers "waste" water, and they grow food!! What do you think their sentiment will be for large scale hydro grows for cannabis? Probably less favorable is my guess.

CA city gets water from State Water Project. Adelanto and DHP both use groundwater only.

I would avoid Adelanto, that place has a history of corruption, their police force was shut down in 2001 due to it. I would expect nothing to change with cash heavy businesses coming in...
 
Seamaiden

Seamaiden

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They're already growing acres and acres of alfalfa. Everywhere is corrupt IME. :)

Don't forget that in 2016 our state legislature enacted a new water/groundwater act (I'd have to go back through my emails, received via an aquaponics/pond consultant website). Everyone has a new set of rules to comport with now.
 
visajoe1

visajoe1

They're already growing acres and acres of alfalfa. Everywhere is corrupt IME. :)

Don't forget that in 2016 our state legislature enacted a new water/groundwater act (I'd have to go back through my emails, received via an aquaponics/pond consultant website). Everyone has a new set of rules to comport with now.
Agree on the corruption! Just a question of how bad, right? haha. Alfafa, though, feeds cows, which produce milk, and its not their main feed. Corn is. I grew up surrounded by the stuff in the central valley. Most haters seem to focus on the smell of dairies and tree orchards of various types. Just my observation from living there

Thanks for the heads up on the 2016 ground water thing, researching to commence! lol
 
Jackstraw215

Jackstraw215

Im not really interested in growing in the desert. It really looks like the best option is going to be operating as a collective and crossing our fingers... So many people crush it without any kind of permits and have been doing so for years, I feel like we would be fine if we use a place that is already set up and at least have our water rights secured and do what we can to have everything in compliance with guidlines with water etc... It seems like they go after the "biggest guy on the hill" or the people creating a lot of environmental/ fire hazards. I spoke with a guy from https://gohumboldtgreen.com on the phone, they're consultants out of Arcata and they were explaining everything with water rights and runnoff and things like that, I'm probably going to schedule an appointment to meet with them and figure things out. It's going to be interesting to see what comes of this. We have enough capital to do SOMETHING..
 
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