Dragons Flame Mac Dragon bx1 in Updated RDWC System

Madmax · Jan 11, 2023

Read this on growing exposed…if your plants need say more k then this could b a clue..Plants secrete acids and bases in their root zone to adjust the pH depending on what nutrients they want to eat. If a plant wants more phosphorous and potassium, it may actually secrete an acid, dropping the pH of the rest, so that it can uptake more P and K. It is also possible if the plant wants more calcium, for instance, that it may raise the pH in order to make that calcium more available. If we decide that 6 is the perfect number and every single time the point moves to 6.2 or 5.8 and we run in there and adjust it, it is possible we can be working against our plants.”

SweetLeafGrow · Jan 11, 2023

Madmax said:
If we decide that 6 is the perfect number and every single time the point moves to 6.2 or 5.8 and we run in there and adjust it, it is possible we can be working against our plants.

That is very interesting indeed. I was doing that when I first started hydro but I had read something where it said to let it ride down and up through the acceptable ph range, staying away from the lockout areas, in order to facilitate a range of nutrient uptake ph zones, for lack of a better term, whatever they call it. I started doing just that, letting it ride between 5.5 and 6.2. If I have time when I adjust, I will do so gradually over 2 or 3 adjustments so as not to shock the plant with a large ph swing.

Madmax · Jan 11, 2023

SweetLeafGrow said:
That is very interesting indeed. I was doing that when I first started hydro but I had read something where it said to let it ride down and up through the acceptable ph range, staying away from the lockout areas, in order to facilitate a range of nutrient uptake ph zones, for lack of a better term, whatever they call it. I started doing just that, letting it ride between 5.5 and 6.2. If I have time when I adjust, I will do so gradually over 2 or 3 adjustments so as not to shock the plant with a large ph swing.

yeah David Robinson on exposed mentioned if your getting ph fluctuations between 5.5-6.2 choose a more optimal range 5.8-6.2 ..your not getting fluctuations which can lead to deficiencies .my post was if the ph has dropped ph could b a little sign it has secreted an acid to take up more p or k.

Moe.Red · Jan 11, 2023

Madmax said:
Read this on growing exposed…if your plants need say more k then this could b a clue..Plants secrete acids and bases in their root zone to adjust the pH depending on what nutrients they want to eat. If a plant wants more phosphorous and potassium, it may actually secrete an acid, dropping the pH of the rest, so that it can uptake more P and K. It is also possible if the plant wants more calcium, for instance, that it may raise the pH in order to make that calcium more available. If we decide that 6 is the perfect number and every single time the point moves to 6.2 or 5.8 and we run in there and adjust it, it is possible we can be working against our plants.”

That’s so cool to me. I wish I fully understood the interaction. The plants also talk to each other via fungi. The interactions are just so complex the more you learn the more amazing it is.

This is the part where tsd and cannagranny would laugh at us silly boys. We are trying to completely control a living thing. It’s like forcing a toddler to be a bodybuilder.

I have always done what slg explained above. The ph always seems to trend down slowly in my system the entire grow. If my plants are sending any signals that causes this trend, it is always we want a lower ph. My gut tells me it is not the plant signaling which causes this downward trend. But how can I know?

Also hydro is unnatural and we have a lower ph range to start with vs soil.

Complexity. I fucking love this puzzle.

Moe.Red · Jan 11, 2023

Madmax said:
yeah David Robinson on exposed mentioned if your getting ph fluctuations between 5.5-6.2 choose a more optimal range 5.8-6.2 ..your not getting fluctuations which can lead to deficiencies .my post was if the ph has dropped could b a little sign it has secreted an acid to take up more p or k.

I’ll tell you what brother. On my next fog grow coming soon I’ll feed one res p and k rich from day 1 and see if the ph trend is different in that system. Maybe the ph will trend up? If so I’m gonna kiss you. Because that would be too cool.

Observationist · Jan 11, 2023

Moe.Red said:
Coming soon to a SweetLeaf near you...

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That stuff closest to these words is dangerously close to larf lol.

Love the setup ..

Observationist · Jan 11, 2023

Moe.Red said:
I’ll tell you what brother. On my next fog grow coming soon I’ll feed one res p and k rich from day 1 and see if the ph trend is different in that system. Maybe the ph will trend up? If so I’m gonna kiss you. Because that would be too cool.

Ok this is cool.

SweetLeafGrow · Jan 13, 2023

Got in and took another look at the trichomes today, mostly cloudy and a few ambers starting to show on sugar leaves. Love the beauty in these closeups.

I also think I made the right choice in feeding this gal one more time before harvest. I brought the ppms up to the 600 neighborhood, then decided to amend one more time and got her to 650. She was definitely hungry as the ppms started going down almost immediately, down to around 520 this morning after topping off, yea, she is still drinking about a gallon a day....also the rapid fade I was starting to see has slowed way down, although I do see ripening occurring every day.

steamroller · Jan 13, 2023

You are sooooo dialed in.
Congrats on a great grow managed like a pro.

Dragonsflame · Jan 13, 2023

looking dank my friend! Keep on keeping on!

Cool_Beans · Jan 13, 2023

Nice pics and buds look awesome, wont be long now..

SweetLeafGrow · Jan 13, 2023

steamroller said:
You are sooooo dialed in.
Congrats on a great grow managed like a pro.

Thanks bro, means a lot coming from you.

Cool_Beans said:
Nice pics and buds look awesome, wont be long now..

Thank you and ya, super stoked for this harvest!

Dragonsflame said:
looking dank my friend! Keep on keeping on!

Thanks Jeff, pretty easy when I got genetics like this to work with. I'm going to have to figure out what else you got that I would like to sprout one day in the future.

Dragonsflame · Jan 13, 2023

SweetLeafGrow said:
Thanks bro, means a lot coming from you.

Thank you and ya, super stoked for this harvest!

Thanks Jeff, pretty easy when I got genetics like this to work with. I'm going to have to figure out what else you got that I would like to sprout one day in the future.

if theres certain terps or affects or whatnot you are wanting to look for just lmk! sure I can help ya pick something

Moe.Red · Jan 13, 2023

Dragonsflame said:
if theres certain terps or affects or whatnot you are wanting to look for just lmk! sure I can help ya pick something

I want some complex stuff, I don't care if it is scraggly and fugly and hard to grow. I'm looking for rare cannabinoids like THCP.

If you have ideas, I'm all ears.

RootsRuler · Jan 13, 2023

Moe.Red said:
I want some complex stuff, I don't care if it is scraggly and fugly and hard to grow. I'm looking for rare cannabinoids like THCP.

If you have ideas, I'm all ears.

Have you ever worked with a column chromatograph? IIRC, I was in an extraction lab and they had one of those machines. The lab guy told me you can separate and extract each individual cannabanoid with it.

Dragonsflame · Jan 13, 2023

Moe.Red said:
I want some complex stuff, I don't care if it is scraggly and fugly and hard to grow. I'm looking for rare cannabinoids like THCP.

If you have ideas, I'm all ears.

Yunnan Dragon - Ill have to see if I can dig up reports off my old harddrive
i remember for sure it had some of the rarer THC types, my stoner brain is wanting to say THCV and Z. Congolese kush was as well very exotically terpene rich but Im sold out on that one. I'd bet that the golden dragon (Khmer cambodian x Mekong thai) would also come in high on the more thin leaf type terpenes, as its very terpene rich for such a wild strain. I'll have to do some digging thru old hard drives on my more "thin leaf" types as thats really where those rarer terpenes are hiding. Modern genetics being so heavy to the kush, cookies, chem, fast flower, selecting for dense and fast and bag appeal seems to shed off a lot of the more rare terpene types.

SweetLeafGrow · Jan 13, 2023

Dragonsflame said:
Yunnan Dragon - Ill have to see if I can dig up reports off my old harddrive

Is that related to that strain called China Yunnan? I think I have some of these seeds somewhere.

Moe.Red · Jan 13, 2023

RootsRuler said:
Have you ever worked with a column chromatograph? IIRC, I was in an extraction lab and they had one of those machines. The lab guy told me you can separate and extract each individual cannabanoid with it.

Yes, I have one.

It uses chloroform as the eluent, so it is sitting in front of my paint booth at the shop so I can get a draft across the table when I work.

Moe.Red · Jan 13, 2023

Dragonsflame said:
Yunnan Dragon - Ill have to see if I can dig up reports off my old harddrive
i remember for sure it had some of the rarer THC types, my stoner brain is wanting to say THCV and Z. Congolese kush was as well very exotically terpene rich but Im sold out on that one. I'd bet that the golden dragon (Khmer cambodian x Mekong thai) would also come in high on the more thin leaf type terpenes, as its very terpene rich for such a wild strain. I'll have to do some digging thru old hard drives on my more "thin leaf" types as thats really where those rarer terpenes are hiding. Modern genetics being so heavy to the kush, cookies, chem, fast flower, selecting for dense and fast and bag appeal seems to shed off a lot of the more rare terpene types.

cool cool I'll be back when I have a few more seconds. Thanks.

EDIT OK, I'm back. Woo hoo made it to the weekend in one piece.

I would love to share notes with you. Let me know if you want to move this off board or have a call this weekend. I think there are about a dozen things we can help each other with. Sunday is open for me.

THCV is still a great cannabinoid to have your fingers on. Often found in Durban Poison and other African sativas. They are doing testing on it now as a treatment for Parkinson's and diabetes. This one shows some promise. And it is up up up if you are looking for a smoke before you clean your house. I built my whole basement lab on THCv lol.

THCP is another thing altogether, while being the same base molecule.

THC = what we know
THCV = up and appitite suppressant, kinda like coffee in your weed. By itself is not psychoactive.
THCP = 35X more psychoactive than THC

So that little tail on the end makes a helluva difference.

I'm in search of THCP. I'll help you find it any way I can. If you do find it, you will sell more seeds than you can imagine.

The implications for breaking thru tolerance are pretty huge for medical patients. For stoners, it just means stronger weed.

RootsRuler · Jan 14, 2023

Dragonsflame said:
Yunnan Dragon - Ill have to see if I can dig up reports off my old harddrive
i remember for sure it had some of the rarer THC types, my stoner brain is wanting to say THCV and Z. Congolese kush was as well very exotically terpene rich but Im sold out on that one. I'd bet that the golden dragon (Khmer cambodian x Mekong thai) would also come in high on the more thin leaf type terpenes, as its very terpene rich for such a wild strain. I'll have to do some digging thru old hard drives on my more "thin leaf" types as thats really where those rarer terpenes are hiding. Modern genetics being so heavy to the kush, cookies, chem, fast flower, selecting for dense and fast and bag appeal seems to shed off a lot of the more rare terpene types.

Moe.Red said:
cool cool I'll be back when I have a few more seconds. Thanks.

EDIT OK, I'm back. Woo hoo made it to the weekend in one piece.

I would love to share notes with you. Let me know if you want to move this off board or have a call this weekend. I think there are about a dozen things we can help each other with. Sunday is open for me.

THCV is still a great cannabinoid to have your fingers on. Often found in Durban Poison and other African sativas. They are doing testing on it now as a treatment for Parkinson's and diabetes. This one shows some promise. And it is up up up if you are looking for a smoke before you clean your house. I built my whole basement lab on THCv lol.

THCP is another thing altogether, while being the same base molecule.

THC = what we know
THCV = up and appitite suppressant, kinda like coffee in your weed. By itself is not psychoactive.
THCP = 35X more psychoactive than THC

So that little tail on the end makes a helluva difference.

I'm in search of THCP. I'll help you find it any way I can. If you do find it, you will sell more seeds than you can imagine.

The implications for breaking thru tolerance are pretty huge for medical patients. For stoners, it just means stronger weed.

This is gonna be good.......

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