Ethos does a thriving clone business in Denver, there are warehouses filled with their stuff. Like most breeders and I've said this before, it's hit or miss. A few things are great, a few things are terrible and the rest is so-so in between somewhere. This the the seed game today, most just want your money and if if it turns out shitty, then the breeder's scream "grower error". Top shelf stuff is closely held to the vest by most of these people, they don't want the genetics getting out for everyone to use, including other breeders. Bodhi, Ace and Archive are the 3 that come to mind that people seem to respect and get great reviews, time and again. There's others too, but I've discounted them since a lot of their stuff has hermie action. Just my opinion.....