HPS light superior vs current led tech?

[Ace9137]

Does my aquarium planted tank light count? I'm using for my mother's in dirt. If so then yes 6yrs old still working like a champ.

I don't think people have felt the led tech was there yet until a few years ago it's still relatively new so you probably won't find much on that right now. However I don't think that takes away from where the tech is at this moment. I'm talking about the quality units/kits.

With a lot of the cobs and QB's it's just as easy to replace let's just says bulbs as HID only the long run costs for this with led will be much lower. I mean we have LED's in one of the plants that are over 5 years no replacement s have been done on bulbs. It's easy to see though other applications they stand the test of time. However the quality of components and using properly rated components will greatly affect the life expectancy.

In other words, you do not know.

 

[RolandNiels]

General Rule og thumb
(We sell lights ourself)

Grown under perfect conditions:
Old chinese LEDs brand <0.7 G/W
HPS Light <1 G/W
Better new LEDs with lens<1.4 G/W
New SMD LED *We use bridgelux SMD 3030* + HLG etc we actually hit +2.0 g/w

Basicly this means the new LED Tech actually doubbles your yield.

Everything about a 200W equals a 1000W HPS Can simply not be true, we tested every single LED. So you can take my word for it.

 

[Aqua Man]

Then why do LED manufacturers compare to HPS? Honestly, HPS is still the standard, and the only way LED will survive is by emulating HPS instead of the sun.

They compare because it is what most people used so it only makes sense. The comparison shows that the efficiency is far greater than HPS.

Somehow I always allow myself to get baited lol. I give ya props on that @Ace9137

 

[Ace9137]

For someone to answer with facts, they would need some very expensive equipment, an accurate spectrometer, and meter to measure PAR. I have read about the diodes losing their effectiveness, (output) after some time and sulfur, not sure where the sulfur comes from, degrades the diodes rather quickly, so many variables involved in whether a LED light will perform for 5 + years. Even if they are running that long chances are very good that they do not put out the intensity that they did when they were new.
I own one of the old UFO lights that say 180 watts and draws 115 watts, it uses 3 watt diodes and I would guess I purchased it about 12 or more years ago, while I didn't use this light constantly it does still work and I am using it right now over 1 Chem Dog.

Problem is people don't seem to realize that you never hear of someone using the same LED lights for several years, a few months maybe, still how many years of constant use?

 

[Ace9137]

General Rule og thumb
(We sell lights ourself)

Grown under perfect conditions:
Old chinese LEDs brand <0.7 G/W
HPS Light <1 G/W
Better new LEDs with lens<1.4 G/W
New SMD LED *We use bridgelux SMD 3030* + HLG etc we actually hit +2.0 g/w

Basicly this means the new LED Tech actually doubbles your yield.

Everything about a 200W equals a 1000W HPS Can simply not be true, we tested every single LED. So you can take my word for it.

I am a supermodel, give me all your money, I promise I am pretty, you can take my word for it.

 

[RolandNiels]

I am a supermodel, give me all your money, I promise I am pretty, you can take my word for it.

Close to perfect conditions Ace, we had one costumer reach 2.3 Grams/Watt with the new Lights.

Im giving the most common numbers for a experienced grower.

 

[AlexGrowns]

I have nothing to do today than drink beer by an ocean so I did your research for you.

First of all. This is just one of the very beneficial studies done on hps vs led. There are many more.
Every comparisons you could want from electricity to output to yeild to quality

Illumenedge - Horticulture Specialists, Reliable Lighting Solutions

And if that's not enough.

Let's compare a 600 watt eye hortilux hps to a 480 watthlg v2 quantum board

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Eye hortilux 600 watt = 88,000 lumens.
Hlg 480 watt = 82,800 lumens

Suns CRI =100
600 watt hps = 25
HLG 480 watt = 70-90 depending on kelvin

Spectrum for 1000 watt eye hortilux
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Spectrum for hlg 480 watt
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One takes 120 more watts of juice

This isnt an opinion. These are the manufactures of the bulbs and chips specifications

That's a lot of green

 

[Ace9137]

I have nothing to do today than drink beer by an ocean so I did your research for you.

First of all. This is just one of the very beneficial studies done on hps vs led. There are many more.
Every comparisons you could want from electricity to output to yeild to quality

Illumenedge - Horticulture Specialists, Reliable Lighting Solutions

And if that's not enough.

Let's compare a 600 watt eye hortilux hps to a 480 watthlg v2 quantum board

View attachment 882084
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Eye hortilux 600 watt = 88,000 lumens.
Hlg 480 watt = 82,800 lumens

Suns CRI =100
600 watt hps = 25
HLG 480 watt = 70-90 depending on kelvin

Spectrum for 1000 watt eye hortilux
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Spectrum for hlg 480 watt
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One takes 120 more watts of juice

This isnt an opinion. These are the manufactures of the bulbs and chips specifications

Actually, I have done the research, of course, mine was hands on, I didn't rely on a company to tell me that their light was better. First off graphs are theoretical, they do not account for every factor. I could show you hundreds of graphs for both sides of the argument and all would be based on "facts". Most people need to just look at the grows being done. My suggestion, watch the results, more so, I used LED "full spectrums" 568 out of the wall, it was good, I use a 400 watt HPS, the smoke is incredible. The funny thing is that the claim of LED giving more grams per watt is cracking me up. So tell me this, 400 watts of HPS be less than 400 watts of LED?

 

[RolandNiels]

Actually, I have done the research, of course, mine was hands on, I didn't rely on a company to tell me that their light was better. First off graphs are theoretical, they do not account for every factor. I could show you hundreds of graphs for both sides of the argument and all would be based on "facts". Most people need to just look at the grows being done. My suggestion, watch the results, more so, I used LED "full spectrums" 568 out of the wall, it was good, I use a 400 watt HPS, the smoke is incredible. The funny thing is that the claim of LED giving more grams per watt is cracking me up. So tell me this, 400 watts of HPS be less than 400 watts of LED?

If you use anything but some of the newest LED tech, i would still recommend an HPS light.

Well we sell a alternative to Quantum Boards, i do rely on numbers.

 

[Ace9137]

If you use anything but some of the newest LED tech, i would still recommend an HPS light.

Well we sell a alternative to Quantum Boards, i do rely on numbers.

I write down on a random piece of paper, $1,000,000,000. That looks good on paper, until I am spending that money, it just one million dollars written down on a piece of paper.

 

[RolandNiels]

I write down on a random piece of paper, $1,000,000,000. That looks good on paper, until I am spending that money, it just one million dollars written down on a piece of paper.

I understand you im just telling you my experience :-)

 

[RolandNiels]

Not sure where you pulled that par chart off.
But this one is off hlgs website. And yours is much different.

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They probably adjusted it since this

 

[RolandNiels]

Your 3x3 foot coverage of a 400 watt hps dont beat the coverage of a 4x4 foot area of a 480 watt hlg man.. you have par and heat hotspots.
Quantum boards dont and more uniform.

This is Our LED Light not a HPS, it was for Ace to see our PAR distrubution. Our lights cost 1/3 of the HLG so its a budget *solution* using SMD.

 

[Ace9137]

Look, all the charts and claims in the world do not prove to me, or justify me spending three hundred to over a thousand dollars, buying something that I will have to replace within two years. I am no fool with my money. When LED's out perform HPS in cost, in yield and in energy, I will be the first person in line for it, WITH BELLS ON, until then, no sale. I am getting buds the size of my fist with this lamp, I was not getting close to that with my LED.

 

[RolandNiels]

I agree an extreme downside to hlg is the price.

I'm going to buy a Chinese QB equivalent to HLG 550 for next grow.

and then will have . Hps. Qb. Blurple. And cob all doing the same strain.
Then we will see

Just be carefull we work with a chinese manucfacture, and they might cheat you on the LEDs

But there are many good cheap alternatives to a lm301b/LM561c chip from china, justmake sure you get something very efficient

 

[RolandNiels]

Look, all the charts and claims in the world do not prove to me, or justify me spending three hundred to over a thousand dollars, buying something that I will have to replace within two years. I am no fool with my money. When LED's out perform HPS in cost, in yield and in energy, I will be the first person in line for it, WITH BELLS ON, until then, no sale. I am getting buds the size of my fist with this lamp, I was not getting close to that with my LED.

Our new LEDs are sold in EU for 150$ - that would probably be 100$ in the US. (200W)
Not thousands.

Do we have expensive samsung chips aswell? Ofcurse, but these actually perform equal for alot less.

You can buy quality SMD LEDs from china, if you buy the correct ones cheap Sir

 

[cemchris]

My 1 question is with LED's is take a 4x8 table or tent. Anyone pulling over 4lbs off 1 table/tent with LED's personally not someone claiming to be on a video? That has been a tried a true standard with HPS for a decade or more with old SE tech not even DE. Then take the cost. We are talking like 300-500 bucks to setup a 2k room for constant lbs for me buying used equip hell even new I would tack on another maybe 200 bucks for 2k. Lets also not gloss over the fact that if you build your HPS ballast like people who build their LED setups you start talking stupid cheap. I'm not saying they aren't comparable. I'm saying that I hear how they are comparable, and people always argue how they are comparable or even better, but I hardly have ever actually seen it. Now is the time. Lets see it. If the cost was cheaper then I would be on board (see what I did there) but at the current price I would always just go strait to 315's without much thought. I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing.

Listen this isn't someone pissing in your pool. Don't get all twisted and think you are getting called out. This is a conversation. Just throw it up for a comparison. Larger scale stuff. I've been on the fence to throw them in one of my rooms and give them a whirl for a year or 2. I just haven't been convinced enough to do so yet whether its yield or the quality of the finished product vs cost. @Burned Haze & @sixstring are about the only dudes I have seen doing it at that scale and hitting numbers and quality but they both have a serious investment into the equipment where initial cost wasn't really a factor which I respect. I think newer growers sometimes get steered in the wrong direction by everyones claims as you have seen from some people above but everyone is different. It's not like LED's are blowing HPS out of the water yet where there is no comparison. And we are talking old old tech vs tech that in maybe the last 4 years has finally caught up hence why the price is still so high. Why HPS is still a good option since its so cheap. Be real if you talk about getting the Chinese knockoff's and some are good do you not think they also make HPS stuff for cheap? Let's also not discount the STRAIT UP lies and misinformation the LED people pushed for years (and still are which is why we see at least 1 thread a day about this ) when the tech wasnt there and how many people got strait up ripped for trying to be an early adopter. If you have been around we all knew people who bought $2k UFO's that pulled the same as a 400w HPS. Buying/building a 1k HPS ballast will give you a 1k light no matter what. Hell even consider a $30 knock off bulb vs a $60-120 hortilux. The yield difference is small since the tech has been around so long and copied we are in a good spot.

I just wish more people would look at everything else in their grows the same way they go over and over with the lights dealing with spectrum, cost, heat ect with something like nutes that will be a bigger cost in the long run for them but strangely you get preaching about LED's and then they use 9 bottles of Advanced or running the full Canna or H&G line and make weekly trips to a hydro shop. Makes people like me scratch their heads.

 

[RolandNiels]

Definately.
It's not a money issue. It's more of a mythbusters situation for me.
Alot of The boys on RIU dot org run Chinese qb from alibaba with great success but I still have to see it for myself to see if it's worth spending the more money.

Just jump the ship, if you make sure you get good chips. The lights are awesome

 

[MIMedGrower]

This is Our LED Light not a HPS, it was for Ace to see our PAR distrubution. Our lights cost 1/3 of the HLG so its a budget *solution* using SMD.

Link please?

 

[Ace9137]

My 1 question is with LED's is take a 4x8 table or tent. Anyone pulling over 4lbs off 1 table/tent with LED's personally not someone claiming to be on a video? That has been a tried a true standard with HPS for a decade or more with old SE tech not even DE. Then take the cost. We are talking like 300-500 bucks to setup a 2k room for constant lbs for me buying used equip hell even new I would tack on another maybe 200 bucks for 2k. Lets also not gloss over the fact that if you build your HPS ballast like people who build their LED setups you start talking stupid cheap. I'm not saying they aren't comparable. I'm saying that I hear how they are comparable, and people always argue how they are comparable or even better, but I hardly have ever actually seen it. Now is the time. Lets see it. If the cost was cheaper then I would be on board (see what I did there) but at the current price I would always just go strait to 315's without much thought. I have seen COBs hit around the same but the initial cost setting those up is more expensive then 315's to get the same thing.

Listen this isn't someone pissing in your pool. Don't get all twisted and think you are getting called out. This is a conversation. Just throw it up for a comparison. Larger scale stuff. I've been on the fence to throw them in one of my rooms and give them a whirl for a year or 2. I just haven't been convinced enough to do so yet whether its yield or the quality of the finished product vs cost. @Burned Haze & @sixstring are about the only dudes I have seen doing it at that scale and hitting numbers and quality but they both have a serious investment into the equipment where initial cost wasn't really a factor which I respect. I think newer growers sometimes get steered in the wrong direction by everyones claims as you have seen from some people above but everyone is different. It's not like LED's are blowing HPS out of the water yet where there is no comparison. And we are talking old old tech vs tech that in maybe the last 4 years has finally caught up hence why the price is still so high. Why HPS is still a good option since its so cheap. Be real if you talk about getting the Chinese knockoff's and some are good do you not think they also make HPS stuff for cheap? Let's also not discount the STRAIT UP lies and misinformation the LED people pushed for years (and still are which is why we see at least 1 thread a day about this ) when the tech wasnt there and how many people got strait up ripped for trying to be an early adopter. If you have been around we all knew people who bought $2k UFO's that pulled the same as a 400w HPS. Buying/building a 1k HPS ballast will give you a 1k light no matter what. Hell even consider a $30 knock off bulb vs a $60-120 hortilux. The yield difference is small since the tech has been around so long and copied we are in a good spot.

I just wish more people would look at everything else in their grows the same way they go over and over with the lights dealing with spectrum, cost, heat ect with something like nutes that will be a bigger cost in the long run for them but strangely you get preaching about LED's and then they use 9 bottles of Advanced or running the full Canna or H&G line and make weekly trips to a hydro shop. Makes people like me scratch their heads.

Well said!