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[Power OG]

Thankyou very much for your reply.
How do I control my temperatures inside the tent when I am only heating up the tent using my 250 hps?

What about plants that grow in the wild with 35 degree plus temps like Australia for example?

I need to show you guys the picture of my big bud. It was topped very early and has 4 colas now all the same height ect...

Thanks again!

By using your intake and exhausts, is it cold where you live? I run air cooled hood to control my temps, i also live in the heat.

 

[QoQ]

It's cold weather here really. I mean atm it's supposivly summer and the heat is about 20 degrees high 10 degrees through the night... i'm attaching a picture of my topped big bud qhat you recon the yield for this?

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Hey @QoQ so ik it is very frustrating not knowing what a plant does or will do but I can tell you this! No one can tell you what that plant is going to produce or even get close I don't care how long they have been growing due to the fact that you are growing them and what you do is way different than the way others grow everyone is different so your results are different asking all the time to guess ur plant is setting you up for dissapointment at harvest!!!! next time u pop some beans or buy a clone you should be sure to look up mainline topping, fiming, and lollipoping, then make sure you follow them before flower cuz she looks nice but you had so much potential there for so much more plant as for kkeping cool in your tent if it is that cool where you are what's the problem with the light being in the tent open the hole/s in the top of the tent keep her in the 78F range if it gets hotter jus lay a fan over one of the holes pulling air out until you can get what is called a duct booster they are about 20 bucks on amazon and are designed to fit perfectly for the holes and ducting

 

[QoQ]

Yeah sorry I know. It is my first proper time so I am just very very curious...

I have read around before I planted and I just decided to top it once very Early
I probably shouldve learnt more before going in for this but I felt ready. I don't really have a problem with my temps I was just asking for knowlage so I can learn just incase things do ever pop up for me.

I only have a small tent so maybe I should look into scrogging or something.

Thankyou for your reply :)

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

You topped at the rite time u can tell by looking she jus could have been dome once more and she would have bushes up a bit then lollipop she would have doubled! As for Scrog or LST are both good for low celing or small space Grows so I definitely think you could Benefit from either one if that's what you choose just be sure you cram as many tops on one plant as can fit comfy and only slightly over lap before flower or it wont be worth the cost of growing. on the heat issue I was referring to having your 600 in there not your current light so you can get better results (grams per watt ratio) and finally i reread my last msg and it seems kinda hostile this was not my intention I was very tired after a long nite of trimming it was like 5 am or something so it was lazy typing not aggressive talk or anything I apologize if you or anyone saw it this way since I do I'm sure u may have as well so wanted to point it out your doin great can't wait to see what she turns out like

 

[QoQ]

You topped at the rite time u can tell by looking she jus could have been dome once more and she would have bushes up a bit then lollipop she would have doubled! As for Scrog or LST are both good for low celing or small space Grows so I definitely think you could Benefit from either one if that's what you choose just be sure you cram as many tops on one plant as can fit comfy and only slightly over lap before flower or it wont be worth the cost of growing. on the heat issue I was referring to having your 600 in there not your current light so you can get better results (grams per watt ratio) and finally i reread my last msg and it seems kinda hostile this was not my intention I was very tired after a long nite of trimming it was like 5 am or something so it was lazy typing not aggressive talk or anything I apologize if you or anyone saw it this way since I do I'm sure u may have as well so wanted to point it out your doin great can't wait to see what she turns out like

Hi. So thankyou for your reply again.
Your right I did take that a little bit wrong... its fine though, i absolutely understand the annoyance of asking silly questions which is nearly fluently inpracticle to answer upon...

I have only ever grown 2 plants before and would be simular to an auto for you guys as all I did was water... didn't do anything else... (1 grew to 6ft4inch)

I'm uploading a picture of one of my colas flowering on my White berry, (The untopped one).

I heard increasing terpene is to increase potency, any suggestions on what additional feed I can use which specifically designed for potency?
Really hoping for this dank bud lol.

Thanks alot! :) QoQ

 

[QoQ]

This is about half way down.

 

[Og Gong]

Looking good! Keep up the good work. Welcome to the farm! ;)

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Coming along very nice there are so many ways to help promote terpene production some as easy as feeding molasses from the grocery store or an amendment like terpenator to as complex as finding the sweet spot in Methyl Dihydrojasmonate - Application Method

 

[QoQ]

Thankyou both for your comments now it's the weekend and I'm not working crazy shifts ill have a look into that after work today. Hopefully find something which will work. Also is there any chance anyone could explain what leafes to take off? I don't know which ones will effect the plant in wrong way.

Thankyou QoQ

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

so I just wanted to share a little tid-bit on De-foliation here as I will be doing this tonight and have done for some time and it seems to be a very controversial subject to touch on so instead of giving you my opinion I will just slap some truth in here about it see what spark's

(Experienced Growers Only) Controversial Defoliation Increases Marijuana Yields
by Keef Treez "The Defoliator"

Defoliation is an extreme marijuana growth technique. It's not to be done lightly.

In fact, the topic of defoliation is one of the most controversial subjects in the marijuana growing field. People on both sides defend their position vehemently.

I'm on the side that believe there is absolutely nothing stressful about defoliation or bending branches. Honestly, there is no way to achieve nearly a pound of buds from a 2-3 foot tall plant indoors, except using defoliation.

Opponents often have arguments like, "PLANTS NEED THOSE LEAVES! If they didn't, they wouldn't be there."

Or my all-time favorite, "I have a friend who used to grow, and he insists that will hurt the plant."

Yet the saddest part of all is how so few people are willing to look at the evidence.

In some ways, I almost would prefer the rest of the growing world keep up their ill-advised lollipopping, removing growing tips, and other low-yield techniques. The defoliation technique has been loudly condemned by "experienced" growers for decades. Nevertheless, I am determined to educate other growers about defoliating and let them see the results for themselves.

So let me start by giving you some picture proof that defoliation works (make sure you scroll down to see all of them!).

You see, I've been defoliating intensively for 30 years. I am now training plants to be 32" tall and 32" round and yielding 250-400 grams under 400 watt lamp.

Nebula Haze from GrowWeedEasy.com: Yes, that's right, he said 8-14 OUNCES of
buds of marijuana harvested off each short, easy-to-manage 32" tall plant, using
just a regular 400 watt HID grow light.

Here are two of my beauties (the one on the right needs a good plucking)





How-To Tutorial: The Controversial Technique of Defoliation
Despite all the evidence (I've posted hundreds of pictures and shown dozens of growers in person), there is still somehow so much skepticism about defoliation techniques. Growers, especially new growers, often just say variations of, "It's common sense, how could removing any part of the plant cause you to get higher yields?"

I recently attended an advanced seminar with a prominent fellow grower and got roundly booed when attempting to describe the defoliation technique, even with pictures showing dramatic benefits.

Unlike many other growers, I believe what's most important is studying how the plant actually grows, instead of assuming she grows how we think she should grow. Real experimentation and unbiased observers are the only way growers are going to learn how to get the best yields for the amount of time, money, and effort.

And it's true that some types of defoliation are brutal to the plants (such as when misguided growers removing all the leaves off extremely young marijuana plants), but other types of defoliation are actually hugely beneficial to increasing yields (I'll be showing you exactly what do do shortly).

And defoliation is beneficial for more than just marijuana, it also has been proven to increase yields for certain other types of crops. For example, it's well-known that cowpeas experience significant increases in yields when up to 50% of their leaves are defoliated during their flowering stage... (source)

This marijuana girl is 32" tall (the dimensions of this girl are 32"x32"x32" to be exact). She was intensely defoliated throughout her life.


And it's true that the real beauty of defoliation is difficult to translate in pictures and verbally.

But I will do my best to give you everything you need to start producing your own huge yields with marijuana defoliation.

But First, Let Me Show You About Increased Bud Production With Defoliation During the Flowering Stage

Before plucking





Immediately After Plucking





Just 4 days later, look at the incredible bud growth





Only 4 Days After That (after another defoliation session)



Are you beginning to see the power of defoliation?

How Early Do You Start Defoliating?

I first started defoliating in desperation after many years of SOG, which I feel has proven to be too much work for inconsistent yields. After much experimentation, I've found my yields have been more consistent when training a single plant to use this space instead of 4 or 9 or 25 SOG clones.

Never mind the fact that in many states, patients are limited to just a handful of plants, removing SoG as a viable option.

Most growers who are curious about this do not want to perform defoliation on small plants. They consider the practice in veg to be too radical. And I 100% agree that totally stripping your seedlings of all leaves will be devastating to their growth.

And the honest truth is that defoliation isn't for everyone. Beginners are often already dealing with the drawbacks to their choice of method or media, and defoliation can be disastrous to any but the healthiest of plants.

Because of this, I sometimes hesitate to throw defoliation into the mix of challenges for beginning growers and I strongly advise any growers to experiment with defoliation (or with any extreme growth control method) in the vegetative stage only where there is nothing at stake.

That being said, I believe the only reason you should allow a marijuana plant to leaf out completely is in an outdoor situation where you want as large a plant as possible. In that case you can save deleafing for mid to late summer after full-stretch and branching.

The way I practice this method (growing indoors) leaves never get a chance to age. No leaves are allowed more than about two weeks existence. I start at the top in order to remove the shading. Removing lower leaf contributes nothing to the strategy of exposing usually shaded out mid and lower growth to premium light. I still remove older shabby leaves to keep it all tidy.

And this is where defoliation gets controversial. Many growers feel that controlling their plant in any way during the vegetative stage will significantly reduce yields. And I understand how it can seem that way, especially to new growers, before you've gone through the entire life cycle of the marijuana plant a few times.

Experiments show, again and again, that large plants with intensively prepared structure during extended Veg cycle yield far more than untrained, smaller, force-flowered inpiduals.

Nebula Haze from GrowWeedEasy.com: I've also found this to be the case.
Small marijuana plants that are forced to flower when extremely young are
can be fun as an experiment, but produce pitiful yields. Investing more time
in the vegetative stage to gain girth, while controlling the shape and growth
of the plant, has dramatically increased yields for me.

The truth is, that with marijuana, the real 'secret sauce' to getting enormous yields is when you've perfectly prepared your plants for the flowering stage. As any grower knows, once you're deep into flowering, there isn't a whole lot you can do about huge, out-of-control plants except hold on, pray for the best, and do better next time.

I DO NOT lollipop and advice strongly against it. I use defoliation to skillfully and artfully prepare plants during the vegetative stage, so that lollipopping becomes completely unnecessary. I am on a mission to refocus growing technique to never remove ANY productive growth. I believe only leaves should be removed.

Ultimately, the defoliation technique is a huge tool in the grower's toolbox that allows you to dominate the Vegetative stage. Then it can be used in the Flowering stage to maximize yields.

Defoliation is the Big Secret to High-Yield, Compact Marijuana Plants

My style involves intensive defoliation along with the twist and train method (a version of supercropping) using a basic net for support.

I only top once, if at all, at the 5th or 6th node(approximately) depending on the height and structure of a given clone. I also deleaf them at this time. The only plants that get more topping than that are because they had clones taken from them. I don't usually keep dedicated mothers, instead, I just clone the clones and cycle everything through.

Here is a close-up of a veg clone getting it's second stripping.

Before



After



To get the best results, you should start defoliation in the vegetative stage. Leaf removal in bud is beneficial after stretch but most important to yields is management and the creation of a more compact plant with more budding sites in a given size.

Stripping and bending takes practice but you must do it to get practice. By starting in veg you risk no bud. Veg plants are replaceable so experiment and be ready to devote a little more time to prepare them.

I'd describe my stripping as "aggressive." Once your plant is trained to deal with defoliation, it's hard to go wrong. Plus, after years of experience, I've become very familiar with how these plants grow and always know what my outcome will be.

But defoliation doesn't end in the vegetative stage. I also continue to pull the fan leaves off of my flowering plants to expose the buds.

As far as when and how often, I don't get too scientific about it.

Usually if things look leafy, meaning that you see more leaf than budsites when viewing the crop, it may be time for another deleafing. It usually takes a week to 10 days for a plant to releaf to the point that there are 2-4 new leaves that have flattened and greened enough to deleaf again.

This repeated releafing process allows that lower growth to benefit from the maturing of the immediate leaf mass.

Leaf removal stimulates lower and mid bud growth by exposing those normally shaded out areas to premium light. Of course those new to the technique should start slow, but if you start too slow you won't remove enough leaf to see the best result.

You basically want to prevent any 'shade' from happening.

Here's an example of how I deleaf a girl who is 2 weeks into 12-12 (flowering)

Before


After


Notice how, you can now see light all the way through the plant. This is a good thing for light, as opposed to seeing nothing but leaves in the before pic.

Wait, did you say you wanted to see what kind of buds I get at the BOTTOM of the plant?

You get extensive bottom growth on defoliated plants



This is on the morning of harvest. While some are obsessed with top growth I like well developed bottoms. Tops are a given. If bottoms are this well developed the tops are certainly getting their share of light. Some guys like tops, some like bottoms. I like my girls to be equally well developed.

Ready to Get Started?

You can start easy and try to save leaves but what happens when you see the results like all the mid growth exploding with the new exposure. It would serve logic that if you remove a little and there is good results than remove more and on and on until you get comfortable with stripping down these girls.

I recommend you start deleafing as soon as your plants start looking 'bushy' at all. Start with removing the fans from all the branches and watch the results. Then remove progressively more. Don't remove any branches or sites if you want to commit to this method.

The idea is shade removal, NOT budsite removal. Allow them to releaf for a week or so and remove again when they look leafy.

This girl is 32"sq. and under 30" tall. She was thoroughly plucked continuously through her 11 week flowering cycle as well as during veg. No shortage of branches or buds, all of them chunky and exposed. I ended up harvesting 12 ounces off her. Marijuana plants do not get like this on their own. Stripping in veg and throughout bud is the only way to get results like this.






Answer to the 3 Most Common Questions About Marijuana Defoliation

1.) Which Fan Leaves Can Be Plucked?

All of them.

That was the short answer.

I remove everything that is easily pinched off with the thumbnail and forefinger. I keep a little bit of a cutting tool for a thumbnail specifically for that purpose.

I don't try to get in super close to the buds once they get sticky unless it is just intolerably crowded. Any leaf that is attached by enough of a peristem to be plucked easily is fair game.

Bud leaves are attached deeper in the bud cluster and are difficult to remove by hand. I do not yank or pull down on the leaf. I snip it off with the thumbnail. Don't sweat the stubs that are left, they dry out and fall off. Best not to try to cut so close to the plant, especially in mold prone climates.

2.) Can Defoliation Be Used with Any Growing Medium?

Yes. Medium is not a factor. Go with what you like.

Defoliation works great for marijuana grown in soil, coco coir, perlite, vermiculite, DWC, bubbleponics, and any other growing medium that marijuana grows in.

3.) I've Never Defoliated and Now I'm Several Weeks into Flowering with Tall, BUSHY Out-of-Control Plants... Can I Still Start Defoliating?

If you've never defoliated before, go conservative to start, even if your plants look healthy.

Do it moderately at first and a little more daily. Pluck fan leaves to prevent branches from growing taller. During the flowering stage, you'll be able to see the increase in bud production.


So there you have it, a basic introduction to defoliation for huge yields. It's about time defoliation went mainstream!



About the Author:

Keef Treez "The Defoliator" has run several threads on ICMag.com, Overgrow, and CannabisWorld which continue to be very popular and controversial even years after they were created, receiving millions of hits. He is located in a beautiful high country area where he legally provides as a caregiver.

View his thread about defoliation on ICMag.com: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174163

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Here is an old post i made should help u out

 

[kuz]

Thankyou very much for your reply.
How do I control my temperatures inside the tent when I am only heating up the tent using my 250 hps?

What about plants that grow in the wild with 35 degree plus temps like Australia for example?

I need to show you guys the picture of my big bud. It was topped very early and has 4 colas now all the same height ect...

Thanks again!

Its just not the same, I dont have a clue why. Growing indoor and outdoor is two different things altogether. Your plants looking good, but run the temp up to 35 and the relative humidity down in the teens and watch how quickly they go bad. FlyinJ gave some good advice on were you want to keep the environment. Most of us probably underestimate the importance of the temperature and the humidity when we start out.

 

[Power OG]

Please dnt start using molasses until you really learn how to use it, believe or not if over used you can kill off your bennies which feed your plant by choking them, if you gonna use molasses use 1 Tsp a month thats plenty. Scott from Nectar explains this the best on monster garden YouTube channel, basically it will eventually create a lead blanket and choke them out, molasses is such a big molecular chain that bennies cant digest it, and smothers them to death. Much better products, agave nectar,raw cane sugar or a simple glucose and sucrose mixture is much better. The only time i use molassesis in ewc because your boosting the bennies population into the billions and the air and water makes the mollases available because the population is is boosted and molasses will get used in 24 to 48hrs, just my 2 cents , molasses is great if used correctly
Positive vibes & respect

 

[QoQ]

Hi all. Sorry for the long reply.

I have currently been working crazy shifts and ill post up some updated pictures after work today.

I'll have a look into everything you guys suggested!

Thanks alot for your replies.

 

[Gary Host]

Thankyou very much for your reply.
How do I control my temperatures inside the tent when I am only heating up the tent using my 250 hps?

What about plants that grow in the wild with 35 degree plus temps like Australia for example?

I need to show you guys the picture of my big bud. It was topped very early and has 4 colas now all the same height ect...

Thanks again!

Keep it below 30 for maximum potential indoors. Above 30 without added co2 your plants growth will slow down and can even come to halt.

Comparing with plants growing outdoors is of no relevance. Outdoor grows have alot more different variables, such as full spectrum sun-light, wind, etc. Also quality of wild growing cannabis is not even close in quality to the breeds we grow indoors. Why would you waste electricity and money on expensive equipment to grow bushweed indoors, lol

 

[QoQ]

Sweet.

Yeah that's true.

I'll post pics updated in aprox 5 hours :)

 

[QoQ]

This is a picture taken 5 minutes from writing this post. I'll post another after this. (My white berry)

 

[QoQ]

 

[KiLoEleMeNt]

Hehe you got a bean pole there doncha
What are your ppm's and ph at when you feed how often are you feeding and when did you feed last? what did u ultimately decide on for nutes? Did you get a boster do you know if that is a sativa or sativa Dom indi

 

[QoQ]

Haha what do you mean bean pole? Haha .

And I use tiger bloom atm decided to use as I saw online is good... Uhm please remember this is my first proper grow!. I have bought a ph tester kit and it's within the levels always. Never over or below what recommendations are. I try keep stability with the levels too. I'm having to feed every other day as it will start drooping if I don't water it...
I last watered it around 8 hours from now. When the lights were on. But from the pot

Does the plant look like it will flower good?

What's your honest opinion on the plant? Thanks alot btw