The thing is DeX. I do understand. I just told you I prefer using par as a measurement. It wasn't available for both LEDs in the data sheets I could find on my lunch break. The only variable available for comparison was lumens. Jesus man. Maybe read what I typed?
What explanation is it you think I need?
Something I've known longer than ive been on this forum? Some of my first posts are talking about par and ppfd man.
Look it's simple. The light is say 2700k. If the lumens are 50% higher, by necessity the par (ppfd) will be higher.
I honestly dont get what it is you think you're trying to "explain" to me.
I was worried at 1st to I used Google pay, hope you find and get what makes you happy cause it really is a pain in the azz.... there's so many diff lights shipping charges and etc... at 1 point I had 3 diff towers running so I could see the diff..... have a great time with this :)Yeah definitely looking at the 2700k would be for flower only. The only 2700k I can find at that price is prebuilt. Few more days left no the sale, so I'm probably going to get them today or tomorrow. I'm just not keen in Alibaba. No PayPal they want my CC directly...
Lol you sound like me when I was younger.
Anyway I did read what you said. Remember your the one going off lumens not me. Who does that? Why even waste your time doing so if you know what par and ppfd is and the limitations of counting only lumens?
Im sure you can see why I was confused. No harm done. If anything it just informed people just a little bit more.
Well makes me feel a bit better about paying double for my hlg600. Sorry to hear that man.Well. I guess no quantum boards for me. Alibaba fucking sucks as a website and app.
Wont let me enter my address, wont let me enter payment info, cant get ahold of a real fucking person. So fucking frustrating. Worst website ever.
Well makes me feel a bit better about paying double for my hlg600. Sorry to hear that man.
Sound like you when you were young hey? Nice... let's try this another way.
1. Do you think being a passive aggressive jerk is better than an in your face one?
2. Are you saying lumens are a completely invalid measurement of light?
3. Even when its the only measurement available to you at the time?
4. What part of anything I ever said was wrong?
1. Don’t know. Not trying to be either. This the internet man. Guess basically they both have their place. At end of day I can’t touch you from here and I’m trying to facilitate a learning experience. I find most time if I tell someone they acting like a broad or hoe it goes further from my goal.
2. Pretty much yes. I don’t know why one would only want to know part of the equation when there’s much more to it all. What I see and what’s being emitted and actually used by the plant are two different things. I’m just that partial to having as much info as I can to make a educated decision.
3. I would have looked around more or asked around more. I did see you say you were on your lunchbreak....whoo whoo whoo...but...
I still wouldn’t have wasted MY time comparing lumens and typing it out like that. Then again that’s just me.
4. Nothing until you put more Lumens=more par. Besides that I was just trying to get you and others to not waste time on frivolous things.
If I’m wrong in any of these points I would like it to be explained to me though (if possible). I love to learn. LED is actually new af to me. Maybe been learning for a few months and it’s not easy for me. I did pick a little up here and their though.
I hope you find what your looking for.
Yeah definitely looking at the 2700k would be for flower only. The only 2700k I can find at that price is prebuilt. Few more days left no the sale, so I'm probably going to get them today or tomorrow. I'm just not keen in Alibaba. No PayPal they want my CC directly...
I hear you on the payment. When I tried to order with my CC it did not go through for me, probably because of an international protection of some sort. I then received a message on the site from Vivi Liu that Kingbrite also accepts PayPal. She sent an invoice to my email and it was smooth sailing from there. I got the light in less than a week. They do respond to inquiry's but just remember the time difference. It's about midnight over there right now.Well. I guess no quantum boards for me. Alibaba fucking sucks as a website and app.
Wont let me enter my address, wont let me enter payment info, cant get ahold of a real fucking person. So fucking frustrating. Worst website ever.
See but I’m over here on the other hand thinking any colors could be used to higher the lumens and that doesn’t necessarily mean your getting a higher par. I always try to look at the bigger picture. Spectrum and efficiency (both in power consumption and in available usable protons that my plant CAN use) play a big part in my opinion too. Does that make sense? Cause that’s where my brain takes it.
I hear you on the payment. When I tried to order with my CC it did not go through for me, probably because of an international protection of some sort. I then received a message on the site from Vivi Liu that Kingbrite also accepts PayPal. She sent an invoice to my email and it was smooth sailing from there. I got the light in less than a week. They do respond to inquiry's but just remember the time difference. It's about midnight over there right now.
Any color you increase within the lumens spectrum, necessarily must increase par, since par actually contains the lumens spectrum within it.
Honestly do a bit of research. Look at what is being measured in both par and lumens. Then tell me how you could possibly increase lumens (visable light spectrum) without increasing the par (the entire lumens spectrum plus a sliver of ir and uv. You cant hide it in the uv or ir, cause that's not what lumens are. It has to be in the par spectrum. And if you increase that, you increase your par.
It is impossible to increase lumens, and not increase your par. Prove me wrong.
Yes you can increase par but not lumens but you cannot increase lumens and not par.
Imo only. Lumens still works and par is better. If go by lumens you miss the UV and IR spectrum. If you go by par you are accurate. With that said the requirements and the amounts used of UV and IR in lighting for our needs are relatively small but important.
You both right....
Kinda but that's more complicated. You still increase par but minimally compared to say red or blue.You can increase green (visible) light without increasing par.
100% ppfd or pfd should be used to be accurate.Par is not accurate either. It only measures the humps in blue and red considered usable plant light. (Which is proved incorrect) and lumens only measure the range humans see. Which is mostly in between the humps.
You can adjust either without effecting the other.
For example a blurple lamp can have high par and low lumens.
Im thinking of par while including green because we know the original thought of blue red only is bs. I'm not think of it in terms of the meters. But yeah that would make me wrong.Par is not accurate either. It only measures the humps in blue and red considered usable plant light. (Which is proved incorrect) and lumens only measure the range humans see. Which is mostly in between the humps.
You can adjust either without effecting the other.
For example a blurple lamp can have high par and low lumens.
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