Tell us something unique about your growing style or an admission of something that goes against grower wisdom.

[GrowHobo]

Lol. Yes I frequent this website far tooo much so I see a lot of the indoor and outdoor grows. I see your stuff @TSD. For real, great job. But once again people are just too sensitive to their own viewpoint. I never once said you cant grow quality outdoor. Nor did I ever say outdoor growers just chuck seeds in the ground and return later, befuddled and angry about the quality. I don't grow indoors because I have a God complex. I grow indoors because of my background. Go ahead and laugh Academia,, and PHARMA. I am a scientist so I wanna control as many variables as possible. Not because I wanna be god but because I believe it is the best way to produce quality results. To act like it takes no ability or micromanaging or "love" to operate indoors in just silly. I don't mind you saying you like growing outdoors because the sun adds something to your terpenes.. But I am one of the people who wants to know if that is actually true... and if so why? Will there ever be a meeting of the minds in relation to growing cannabis. The assault on science goes too far.

I’ve grown both in and out always. Also i was listening to a guy named Harry Rose who runs Rosette Wellness in California talk on a podcast about the different canibinoid expression seen In and out via testing so I believe it is true. He was saying some strains will even show cbd outside but none inside. I imagine it’s a spectrum thing. No light will duplicate the sun. Keep in mind location is everything outdoors. Your not gonna raise the same quality in Canada vs the lower 48 or even the northers states imo. Not to say you can’t raise good bud up north.

 

[Johnlandy420]

I’ve grown both in and out always. Also i was listening to a guy named Harry Rose who runs Rosette Wellness in California talk on a podcast about the different canibinoid expression seen In and out via testing so I believe it is true. He was saying some strains will even show cbd outside but none inside. I imagine it’s a spectrum thing. No light will duplicate the sun. Keep in mind location is everything outdoors. Your not gonna raise the same quality in Canada vs the lower 48 or even the northers states imo. Not to say you can’t raise good bud up north.

Well said. I will continue to play devils advocate though. Dr. Bugsbee has repeatedly shown and discussed how the most important component to INDOOR lighting is wattage. This is not to say spectrum has no significance because I know a bunch of bad ass growers on here will tell me otherwise. I believe you are correct but the significance has not been shown to be very great. Regarding different cannabinoid expression in and out, I would argue that the difficulty of keeping plants healthy enough to express said canabs makes it a moot point. A master grower can redline plants indoors to produce some of the dankest dank. I imagine this could only be done outdoors with a tremendous amount of luck/cooperation from mother nature. I read through good discussions on this forum and I know how much of an impact latitude has on outdoor buds. I've tried outdoor bud from Guam and I thought it was better than any I tried before (Cali,CO,Oregon,Fla,Mass,Va,Vt,MI). I just haven't tried any that comes close to TGC8 or Motorbreath. Its just my opinion. I am always deferential to the vast majority of growers on here who have more skills than I do.

 

[Madbud]

Lol. Yes I frequent this website far tooo much so I see a lot of the indoor and outdoor grows. I see your stuff @TSD. For real, great job. But once again people are just too sensitive to their own viewpoint. I never once said you cant grow quality outdoor. Nor did I ever say outdoor growers just chuck seeds in the ground and return later, befuddled and angry about the quality. I don't grow indoors because I have a God complex. I grow indoors because of my background. Go ahead and laugh Academia,, and PHARMA. I am a scientist so I wanna control as many variables as possible. Not because I wanna be god but because I believe it is the best way to produce quality results. To act like it takes no ability or micromanaging or "love" to operate indoors in just silly. I don't mind you saying you like growing outdoors because the sun adds something to your terpenes.. But I am one of the people who wants to know if that is actually true... and if so why? Will there ever be a meeting of the minds in relation to growing cannabis. The assault on science goes too far.

I compare it to the dinosaurs trying to survive mammals.

 

[smokedareefer]

Hydroponics with average 82-84f rea temps… id say a bit unorthodox

Is that without gas?

 

[Aqua Man]

Is that without gas?

Was running 91f for a bit with 600ppm co2. Now around 83-84f. I am running high o2 in the rootzone and i think thats the difference. Roots are happy as hell and plants dont seem to mind it

 

[dean1963]

No light will duplicate the sun

just wait another 20 years and we will all have our personal fusion reactors in our grow rooms for sunlight.
lol
wouldn't that be something, it's always 20 years away

 

[TSD]

Lol. Yes I frequent this website far tooo much so I see a lot of the indoor and outdoor grows. I see your stuff @TSD. For real, great job. But once again people are just too sensitive to their own viewpoint. I never once said you cant grow quality outdoor. Nor did I ever say outdoor growers just chuck seeds in the ground and return later, befuddled and angry about the quality. I don't grow indoors because I have a God complex. I grow indoors because of my background. Go ahead and laugh Academia,, and PHARMA. I am a scientist so I wanna control as many variables as possible. Not because I wanna be god but because I believe it is the best way to produce quality results. To act like it takes no ability or micromanaging or "love" to operate indoors in just silly. I don't mind you saying you like growing outdoors because the sun adds something to your terpenes.. But I am one of the people who wants to know if that is actually true... and if so why? Will there ever be a meeting of the minds in relation to growing cannabis. The assault on science goes too far.

I just see so many people that say outdoor is crap full stop and it's annoying. I'm not anti indoor, if I didn't spend the first 2 months or so indoors, I couldn't grow in this climate outside... I've contemplated an indoor setup for a while, because I'm sure the control makes it a little easier. And I never said anything against indoor growers, of course indoor growers love thier girls! It's big indoor farms that pump out sub par results... and that's probably the majority of indoor that's come across my path.

 

[Aqua Man]

I just see so many people that say outdoor is crap full stop and it's annoying. I'm not anti indoor, if I didn't spend the first 2 months or so indoors, I couldn't grow in this climate outside... I've contemplated an indoor setup for a while, because I'm sure the control makes it a little easier. And I never said anything against indoor growers, of course indoor growers love thier girls! It's big indoor farms that pump out sub par results... and that's probably the majority of indoor that's come across my path.

Imo its all dependent on the growers skill and Mother Nature collaboration. Personally i think ppl would have better success rate starting outdoor than indoor. They are just different is all and I wouldn’t say either is better but rather the best is what works best for the growers

 

[Madbud]

Well after three days of rain its obvious mother nature does not know how to water.

 

[N1ghtL1ght]

Was running 91f for a bit with 600ppm co2. Now around 83-84f. I am running high o2 in the rootzone and i think thats the difference. Roots are happy as hell and plants dont seem to mind it

Rootwater temperature seems to affect leaf surface temps as well, so there may be a connection into that and what lampsystem one uses (LED/HID). It's the warmth that can spur up many metabolic processes, enzymes, distribution of growth factors etc
Are you recording all these parameters as well?

 

[Aqua Man]

Rootwater temperature seems to affect leaf surface temps as well, so there may be a connection into that and what lampsystem one uses (LED/HID). It's the warmth that can spur up many metabolic processes, enzymes, distribution of growth factors etc
Are you recording all these parameters as well?

Yeah… but not leaf temp because i lost my IR gun but once i move ill grab another. I agree with you 100%. They all play a role in leaf/plant temps

 

[E9noxis]

Did a soil soak in preparation for transplanting a few clones.

2 Red Bruce 2 Game is Thick I have a few gallons of build a soil living soil

And a couple 1g cloth buckets

I fill them a little with the soil

I use plastic cups with holes since this is what the clones are currently growing in. It leaves a perfect sized hole in the soil when I pull it out.

I fill the pot and the cup. I use what's in the cups for topping off during the transplant

I do it in a plastic bucket. 1.2 gallons. Works great. Just fill the bucket with water and wait. Add more as it needs it. When the air bubbles stop and the soil is soaked through, pick it up and drain most of the water.

My tower of drip trays and a hose to a bucket.

Self explained.

They're currently draining more in the flower tent. I'll transplant Thursday

 

[RootsRuler]

It's possible to grow high quality outdoor, there are growers on this very forum that do a bang up job... the problem is, that it's a lot more work outdoors because there are so many factors out of your control that you have to mitigate... You're not God of your grow like inside. I personally prefer outdoor because the sun just adds something special to those terpenes and the taste and smell is hard to top... but I've always been an outdoor grower and gardener, so that's just my jam. But yeah, if you chuck a plant outside and come back for it in the fall, it's probably gonna be low quality, if it's alive at all. If you baby your ladies and show them love, try to keep the bugs at bay, keep them fed and pruned, they will return the favor and give you delicious nugs and not contribute to your electric bill.

I think, for me, the taste difference comes more from the soil rather than the method. I don't think the plant really knows, or cares for that matter, where their light source is coming from. Same with food. The one difference is the media that the roots sit in and eat. Synthetic media doesn't have the microbes that soil does. These microbes tend to break down all the micronutirents in a way that gives the plant a more full spectrum feeding.

This is why I like growing in soil but in a hydroponic setting. I get to be God and still get to enjoy the soil flavors that I love.

 

[growsince79]

I grow photo plants in less time than most autos.

 

[PotsieSativa]

I think, for me, the taste difference comes more from the soil rather than the method. I don't think the plant really knows, or cares for that matter, where their light source is coming from. Same with food.

Spectrum matters. Adjustments to nutrition required indoor vs out.


Secret grow tip. Nutrients + chemistry = weed. Talk to a chemist about your end goals and all possible ingredients involved in the metabolism of the plant your growing. I had my amino acids hand selected for me before even knowing which ones participate in the Krebs cycle. You don't need to know shit to grow the best herb. You need to know how to talk to specialists about how THEIR passions apply, not about how important your personal goals are to the universe.

 

[N1ghtL1ght]

Spectrum matters. Adjustments to nutrition required indoor vs out.


Secret grow tip. Nutrients + chemistry = weed. Talk to a chemist about your end goals and all possible ingredients involved in the metabolism of the plant your growing. I had my amino acids hand selected for me before even knowing which ones participate in the Krebs cycle. You don't need to know shit to grow the best herb. You need to know how to talk to specialists about how THEIR passions apply, not about how important your personal goals are to the universe.

So which aminos would you use, oh Maestro?

 

[ritoMox]

So which aminos would you use, oh Maestro?

A previous post by the same member: Link: Post #252

 

[N1ghtL1ght]

A previous post by the same member: Link: Post #252

Tyvm, but that one is bout B-Vitamins.
Except, the Betaine, about which I already asked elsewhere, just got no reply (you never get any reply whatsoever from that guy)

But he recomends Boron Glycinate as soil amend, so there's this.

 

[TSD]

I think, for me, the taste difference comes more from the soil rather than the method. I don't think the plant really knows, or cares for that matter, where their light source is coming from. Same with food. The one difference is the media that the roots sit in and eat. Synthetic media doesn't have the microbes that soil does. These microbes tend to break down all the micronutirents in a way that gives the plant a more full spectrum feeding.

This is why I like growing in soil but in a hydroponic setting. I get to be God and still get to enjoy the soil flavors that I love.

Good point, could be more my soil than the sun effecting taste and smell... guess I'll have to do a full indoor run and decide for myself.

 

[TSD]

Tyvm, but that one is bout B-Vitamins.
Except, the Betaine, about which I already asked elsewhere, just got no reply (you never get any reply whatsoever from that guy)

But he recomends Boron Glycinate as soil amend, so there's this.

He seems to talk a lot of science but I don't think we've seen any actual plants from him yet...