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Yep. Anything in a concentrated form can be dangerous when on its own it is actually good for all.Anyone ever see what an organic pig farm does to the local water supply?
Both harmful if not used appropriately. Both much less harmful if used appropriately. Organic certification is kind of a joke in my mind once you read into the pesticides and non organic stuff allowed.
AwesomeHere's some of my completely organic plants that I am currently growing, no added nutrients, no special soil, nothing. Just regular soil from my backyard( I live in the valley of California, San Joaquin Valley to be specific)
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Here's some pictures of my buds I grew last year in the same soil and everything, all I do is water them. Strains are unknown.
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Honestly, I really wish companies who sell seeds or even weed would have a photo comparison of a specific strain grown completely organic, nothing special etc. And another picture of that same strain grown with all the additives, teas, nutrients, special soil etc. Idk, I will probably never be able to afford to grow my cannabis with all the special teas, soil and whatnot so idk I just would like to see completely organic weed be grown and shown more often cause I feel like there is this stigma around cannabis that you absolutely need to spend all that.money on nutrients and soil and whatnot just to grow cannabis but you really don't need any of that. But I feel like that stigma really deters people from wanting to at least try it out y'know? I don't know lmfao, just thought I'd share haha.
Anyone ever see what an organic pig farm does to the local water supply?
Both harmful if not used appropriately. Both much less harmful if used appropriately. Organic certification is kind of a joke in my mind once you read into the pesticides and non organic stuff allowed.
I used Agrothrive on my first organic grow as an experiment & because it was cheap & mostly uses otherwise disposed fish waste, I like the idea of that. Outdoor vegetable gardening I seldom use anything but compost.The other down side. Is all the products on the shelf in the garden center. You should be making potash, composting and making land live. When you buy organic foods for your pot plants at home it kind of defeats the purpose of the whole idea. Those fancy general hydroponics organic nutrient kits don't make much sense. A better solution is guess would be to strictly control food import and export. With some kind of policy. And implement a functional system with over sight. That can somehow be free of financial influence. And keep tigher controls over materials. But humans aren't good at that level of management.
i dont consider the food industry corrupt, but otherwise agree.Organic has all the advantages. It costs almost nothing and with a bit of care, lasts for a lifetime. You don't need to measure it, ppm it, pH it, or do anything but water.
No, it's not going to feed millions, but it's not supposed to. People should have their own gardens for their home. All the money they would save and how quickly the corrupt food industry would loose control over what we eat.
Yes, once i started with knf, regenerative, i realized this organic thing is just words. Still uses bottles. But this knf stuff uses mother nature. Micorizal from trees, leaf compost, cow, fish, vermicomposting, fermented plant juices. its all natural. Like for real natural! And the smoke really shows. The terpene expression cannot be matched. I know those are strong words, but i really feel the best indoor cannot match the terpene expression from outdoor, ground grown, cannabis.They way I see it there are two kinds of "organic" growing. Well three if you include the organic growers that aren't really organicevery self-proclaimed organic grower I've ever met that grow in containers has at least a bottle of synthetic pH up/down in their nute cabinet...d'oh!
First there is the input substitution approach which is what the vast majority of organic growers use. This system attempts to replicate conventional production systems, except using organic inputs rather than synthetic ones.
The other approach is known as agroecology, and it attempts to challenge both the monoculture structure and dependence on off-grow inputs by utilizing regenerative systems that rely more on biodiversity and inputs available on-site...like sunshine or the nitrogen in the air.
Reusing "soil" is a great first step toward regenerative systems, but incorporate some biodiversity, too. Grow something else in that soil before you grow your next Cannabis crop in itI recommend both a grass and a legume. Grasses are excellent at scavenging available nitrogen and provide aeriation to your soil/compost pile while legumes can add nitrogen to your soil (inoculate the seeds for max N fixation). I use different combinations for the used soil from each of my crops. Be sure to terminate these crops before they set seed and compost everything together.
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Only because some organic farmers were using manure improperly...that shit needs to compost first! But E. coli produce recalls in the US peaked in 2014 and have dramatically decreased since then due in part to safety regulations announced in 2015. While a few studies have found higher prevalence of E coli on produce from organic farms, the vast majority have not found this to be the case.
By "hydro" I assume you mean conventional DWC or EAF systems? Because many (most?) organic Cannabis grows are also hydroponic systems, typically drip or hand applied. Even feeding teas is technically hydroponics. Hydroponics just means that inputs are being applied in a liquid form.
That's funny because where I live there has never been outdoor worth smoking. Ever. No one I know likes it. No one will buy it. And it only ever gets exported. Greenhouse or outdoor here is just trash. I had hoped somewhere had good outdoor. Cuz we sure don't. To us you can look at the bag and know it's outdoor. And when you smell it. You know you don't want it. You're lucky you get good grow conditions.Yes, once i started with knf, regenerative, i realized this organic thing is just words. Still uses bottles. But this knf stuff uses mother nature. Micorizal from trees, leaf compost, cow, fish, vermicomposting, fermented plant juices. its all natural. Like for real natural! And the smoke really shows. The terpene expression cannot be matched. I know those are strong words, but i really feel the best indoor cannot match the terpene expression from outdoor, ground grown, cannabis.
Wow! In michigan, the best weed happens in the fall! It was even that way when I was young, and didn't shit about growing. There is a town called Greenville, (funny huh?) That had the best weed, in end of oct. That was back in late 90's. And the best weed I've ever smoked was g13 from mt. Pleasant, mi. It was an outdoor grow also. It made me hallucinate. Lol that sucks all of your outdoor experiences have been bad.That's funny because where I live there has never been outdoor worth smoking. Ever. No one I know likes it. No one will buy it. And it only ever gets exported. Greenhouse or outdoor here is just trash. I had hoped somewhere had good outdoor. Cuz we sure don't. To us you can look at the bag and know it's outdoor. And when you smell it. You know you don't want it. You're lucky you get good grow conditions.
I can second this ^^^.Wow! In michigan, the best weed happens in the fall! It was even that way when I was young, and didn't shit about growing. There is a town called Greenville, (funny huh?) That had the best weed, in end of oct. That was back in late 90's. And the best weed I've ever smoked was g13 from mt. Pleasant, mi. It was an outdoor grow also. It made me hallucinate. Lol that sucks all of your outdoor experiences have been bad.
Got any evidence to back that up? According to an International Joint Commission of US and Canada, 72% of all phosphorus applied in the Lake Erie basin was applied as commercial (synthetic) fertilizers and only 28% as (organic) manure. That phosphorus is the primary contributor to eutrophic conditions in the lake, which sounds like a pretty big issue with leaching to me.Organic farming causes more nitrates algae blooms and has a more damaging foot print commercially. Artifical fertilizers are easier to measure. They don't have issues with leaching. Organic farming is about the label. There are no environmental advantages.
Myth? There are loads of evidence that synthetic pesticides have major impacts on soil and aquatic biota as well as human health. It's not a myth, it's an established scientific fact.Synthetic foods and pesticides work. And the myth they're somehow bad and toxic is just false.
Really it just rearranged the allocation of biomass in our crops and has bred chemical resistant pests and diseases. Modern hybrid breeding programs focus solely on single yields - the yield of wheat berries, for example - at the expense of other components of total yield. Older wheat varieties grow taller and thus fix more carbon from the air. They also produce more hay or straw than the short hybrids designed for combine harvest. The older varieties may not produce as many wheat berries per acre as modern hybrids, but that also means they require less phosphorus per acre too. That additional straw has a variety of uses including building materials and livestock feed.Science didn't make agriculture worse. It solved the demand problem.
I guess another issue I have is I smoke for chronic pain. So I don't get high. I can dab shatter and smoke joints for hours while eating edibles and vaping. But I never get "high". I just feel a reduction in neuralgia. I wouldn't be able to tell you how strong a joint is. Only how it burns and tastes . But for some reason here outdoor has a musky taste. It has terrible structure. And it annoys you when you smoke and makes you have to smoke a proper joint right away. But in other parts of the world outdoor is frosty and dense with terpenenes and flavor. And I don't get to try it :(I can second this ^^^.
There has always been damn good outdoor in my circle in Michigan. It all depends on the grower, I have had more shitty indoor than outdoor here. It seems all most of the indoor guys around here care about is how photogenic/frosty it is, I don’t give a flying fuck how frosty it is if it tastes like shit and the high sucks.
Is that pig farm a pastured operation, or are they just mimicking industrial CAFO operations using "organic" inputs?Anyone ever see what an organic pig farm does to the local water supply?
Both harmful if not used appropriately. Both much less harmful if used appropriately. Organic certification is kind of a joke in my mind once you read into the pesticides and non organic stuff allowed.
Well this is a massive fallacy that arises primarily because the lion's share of breeders aren't selecting for outdoor conditions. They aren't selecting for pest or disease resistance or performance in the field or a greenhouse. Give me 5-10 years and a budget and I guarantee I would be able to develop outdoor strains that look smell and taste as good as any indoor-grown bud anywhere in the world. The weed farm I managed in Washington state actually marketed most of the flower we grow outside as "indoor" bud because of how misinformed consumers are.That's funny because where I live there has never been outdoor worth smoking. Ever. No one I know likes it. No one will buy it. And it only ever gets exported. Greenhouse or outdoor here is just trash. I had hoped somewhere had good outdoor. Cuz we sure don't. To us you can look at the bag and know it's outdoor. And when you smell it. You know you don't want it. You're lucky you get good grow conditions.
This is because someone was/is selecting for strains that do well in outdoor conditions where you are. Kudos to whoever is doing that!There has always been damn good outdoor in my circle in Michigan
I think we can all agree that corporate "organics" is not true organic. Corporations love slapping useless labels on products just to sell and promote them better lol. I mean there's of course more to it but major corporations don't give a f about the environment or true organics, all they care about is quantity and what gives them the best results even if it's something that can harm the environment.
Hello! What do you mean? Are you implying that old timers are major corporations? Or? Lol, also what products? I'm merely stating that major corporations don't do anything in regards to "organics" and everyone has a differing opinion on what true organic is as it always will be lol. But major corporations do not grow true organic, they literally slap labels on everything and just call it organic because profit, especially now.Hello, I guess oldtimers is no better then? U know the brand/products?
Controlled (indoor) VS uncontrolled (outdoor) environments. I can tell you right now, all things being equal what one wins. The only advantage to growing outdoor is available space. No doubt it is settling for second best.That's funny because where I live there has never been outdoor worth smoking. Ever. No one I know likes it. No one will buy it. And it only ever gets exported. Greenhouse or outdoor here is just trash. I had hoped somewhere had good outdoor. Cuz we sure don't. To us you can look at the bag and know it's outdoor. And when you smell it. You know you don't want it. You're lucky you get good grow conditions.
Free sunlight?Controlled (indoor) VS uncontrolled (outdoor) environments. I can tell you right now, all things being equal what one wins. The only advantage to growing outdoor is available space.
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