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Good article!
Here is my experience with gg4 dudding.
First off thanks to MYCO for blessing me with it over 2yrs ago! Wassup brother!
Ran great for a year straight, no problems. Then one or two I thought I mislabeled from a sour diesel. It yielded great, great bag appeal, very light "diesel" smell, but no taste, no gorilla terps at all. Myco texted me asking about dud probs and I was like no duds here, lol. Next crop more affected. I was losing my mind thinking I mislabeled. I started to read this thread and figured it out.
Signs of dudding.
1.horizontal growth
2. Snapping of stems in veg, if you cant bend it completely 180 degrees without a "snap" throw it away. This is the most important telltale sign out there, stems need to be soft and bendable...
3. Smaller leaves.
4. Shorter internodal spacing
Preventing dudding
1. No mother plant, ever! If u taker lower branch clones, game over, almost all were duds, learned the hard way. Top of mother cuttings is a crap shoot. Take top healthy vegging plant cuts.
2. Extra extra light in veg to get vigorous growth, cuts directly under light were good, farther away in corner became more dud prone.
3. Healthy veg for sure will get you through it. If they not "praying" to the light. Might be trouble.
I've tried all the remedies out there,nothing works, except for vigorous growth in veg. This dud thing is for REAL! It's crazy to see, I have literally had dud buds right next to perfect on the same branch! It'll make you lose your mind! If you got gorilla lately and all is good, trust me, dud problems will come!Give it 1 to 1.5yrs. Maybe you won't lose a whole room but you will see it, on a lower branch, or whatever. I guarantee it!!!! Wish you all luck and hope some of this might help a few.
Here is my experience with gg4 dudding.
First off thanks to MYCO for blessing me with it over 2yrs ago! Wassup brother!
Ran great for a year straight, no problems. Then one or two I thought I mislabeled from a sour diesel. It yielded great, great bag appeal, very light "diesel" smell, but no taste, no gorilla terps at all. Myco texted me asking about dud probs and I was like no duds here, lol. Next crop more affected. I was losing my mind thinking I mislabeled. I started to read this thread and figured it out.
Signs of dudding.
1.horizontal growth
2. Snapping of stems in veg, if you cant bend it completely 180 degrees without a "snap" throw it away. This is the most important telltale sign out there, stems need to be soft and bendable...
3. Smaller leaves.
4. Shorter internodal spacing
Preventing dudding
1. No mother plant, ever! If u taker lower branch clones, game over, almost all were duds, learned the hard way. Top of mother cuttings is a crap shoot. Take top healthy vegging plant cuts.
2. Extra extra light in veg to get vigorous growth, cuts directly under light were good, farther away in corner became more dud prone.
3. Healthy veg for sure will get you through it. If they not "praying" to the light. Might be trouble.
I've tried all the remedies out there,nothing works, except for vigorous growth in veg. This dud thing is for REAL! It's crazy to see, I have literally had dud buds right next to perfect on the same branch! It'll make you lose your mind! If you got gorilla lately and all is good, trust me, dud problems will come!Give it 1 to 1.5yrs. Maybe you won't lose a whole room but you will see it, on a lower branch, or whatever. I guarantee it!!!! Wish you all luck and hope some of this might help a few.
I observe stem discolorations yellow, red and in severe cases, brownish. Always brittle. If you can reach over and snap a plant with minimal torque, it's toast.
I get what your going for. Visual ID would be useful. I suspect everything other than the most healthy green stemmed individuals. If it doesn't have a solid healthy green stem I select it out. Red stripes are ok if they're incomplete, but the green has to be very green.
Green like this one below is good. Red striped stems aren't always bad but locked up stems often also turn very red or purple in my experience.
Well genetics dictate a lot of a plants traits. Its environment usually dictates expression. Since the environment is the same, it has to be genetic. Some how a normally dormant gene became active and mutated the DNA?
When it happens in people, we call it a disease. Like Cancer. Not sure what's going on there but my money would be on mutation. Arguments might be made that stretching the cell lines out as long as some of us do, it might become more frequent as the generations go up.
Hello Guys,
can we refresh the Discussion about this Topic by Dissecting some of the Things i wrote?
I am under the Impression that the Red/Purple Stems are Sign of an Pathogen Infection or at least of the Plant beeing in an clearly unfavorable Condition.
Yet alot of Growers dont seem to mind the Red/Purple Stems at all, they seem to attribute this and the lanky, stringy weak vegetative Growth to Genetics only.
Are Red/Purple Stems an Genetic Trait?
The Healthiest Plants i have seen are usually Outdoor(often with supplemental Lighting), usually Organic Fed including Cover Crops like Clover.
I think Lightspectrum may also play a Part in this Planthealth Isssue. I heard from several Nursery Owners that with the use of Plasma Lights or even Full Spectrum LED that their overall Planthealth is alot better.
Please keep the Discussion going.
Thank you for your time and advice! I got gnats in my garden for 4 months after bringing in a new clone from a friend. I kinda gave up on the battle. Gonna try spinosad. I used spinosad on thrips and it works wonders. I sprayed it on gnats and it didn't die so I figure it doesn't work. Tho I've never soil drench with it.
I read that the Bayer aspirin can induce herming so i never tried it.
Thanks Soserthc1 ! Much appreciated!
this is how that plant looks on the stems that dropped off the wood pile....... the lights are off right now but last night I was looking at all the stems cause there's a lot of diff colors going on... My eyes are not the best now and I need glasses but I can see there's 3-4 diff colors for sure on that plant... both those plants went though changes to fast.... the little guy was transplanted 2-3 times in a week, I had 1 other beans that went at the same time that seems to be ok.. but the diff between was they were both start form seed into RW 1st time using it...Red purple stems have nothing to do with the dudding problem. That’s more of a nutrient problem. There is a lot of bad observations and advice on this thread.
In factif you look at most of the pictures with duds the stems have no red or purple. With my og strain seeing a little bit of red or purple in the stem is a sign that it’s a good branch to clone. They bend and don’t snap. The branches that snap on dudded plants have a pale green color. Notice the pale green color and irregular branching patterns. Bend the branch if it snaps it a dud branch.View attachment 908387View attachment 908388
A good branch can be green but not pale green and may have a little bit of red or purple in it. The green is usually a much more rich green . It looks like a normal healthy branch. The branch will bend and not snap.
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Another user in this thread posted a picture of a good green to look for. This I would agree is a good example of what to look for In clones. Notice the richness of the green stem. You can tell there is water inside of it. While the dudded stems look dehydrated and pale green and they snap like a dry branch.
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this is how that plant looks on the stems that dropped off the wood pile....... the lights are off right now but last night I was looking at all the stems cause there's a lot of diff colors going on... My eyes are not the best now and I need glasses but I can see there's 3-4 diff colors for sure on that plant... both those plants went though changes to fast.... the little guy was transplanted 2-3 times in a week, I had 1 other beans that went at the same time that seems to be ok.. but the diff between was they were both start form seed into RW 1st time using it...
then to a solo cup half full of soil
then to a 2 gal fad pot...... the 1 doing good I got all the RW of the tap root..... the one that didn't ( pic I sent) still had RW on the root.... I pulled it off last night the root looks f..ked old it's white but I don't think it's going to live.... we see in the next few day..... the other 1 that poped at the same time, I already have in the veg tent and it's taking the light at 38k right now so I'll let it roll, I seen last night it final moved a little so it's pass the transplant and the move to the veg tent.....
The one that dropped that is growing slow, I was thinking it had to do with the soil it was in so it got trans planted the other day to a 5 , I'll see how it goes form here.... if it turn out to be a F I'll run it I guess if it's a male it's not worth anything at this point i guess:) time will tell I guess