I think ive actually made it to my first feed? WOW.

[CosmoGrows]

At the end of the day... i just cant keep doing this. Unfortunately, after awhile, i do become a pathetic quitter. lol

 

[CosmoGrows]

I have some Sweet Soma Seeds, im going to be germinating and planting in plastic pots in pure root organics. going to steer away from the fabric also as i watered qwith 1/4 of a gallon of water in 1 gallon pot, and i had about 50% of it become run-off due to water pouring out of the sides. so 1/4 of a gallon of water in a 1 gallon pot. 50% runs out of the sides, leaving like an 1/8th of the pot sizes water in the pot.


Plants overwatered.
I cant even give the plant 1/8th of its pot size without drooping.

Im starting to think you guys dont actually give your plants water because water just doesnt work. What do you guys give em? soda? Chocolate milk? Thinking about grilling a steak, cutting it into cubes amending it in the soil and seeing if the dumb plant likes that. (Lmao... ugh....)

 

[Moshmen]

Ed rosenthal or jorge? Im grabbing one off amazon as we speak.
If i didnt have prior positive results with roots organics, i would not be making this switch. I have new seeds, new plastic pots and new methods help remotivate.

I just got Ed and pretty sure I’m gonna get Jorge ! Lol I haven’t read a book in years but this is way better than any other love story!

 

[CosmoGrows]

I guess the biggest thing with me,

Mimedgrower
Aqua Man
HiddenGrow
BassCaptain
Jimster
Bloodshot
Moshmen
Beachwalker
Dirtbag
bunkerking

uhm...... probably 90000404949 other people that i just cant remember to mention(you know who u are).

This is the list of people that have tried to help me change something so simple, watering habits. Its been a couple months here now, and im STILL Working on the same issue i had here on day one. No, im not saying that list of people didnt help, im saying i just cant fucking get it, its getting discouraging. I literally have a team and more of people that have gone out of there way to help, and i just cant fucking get it. It makes you really not want to do the shit anymore, but.... You should know how i am by now.. and i continue to say it.. and will try to continue to say it......But im not giving up... as much as i want to.. i wont.. i just wont give up. as much as i want to lol

I have an ed rosenthal book, but it doesnt go to much into watering. I need like a in depth guide on watering. :(

 

[Moshmen]

I guess the biggest thing with me,

Mimedgrower
Aqua Man
HiddenGrow
BassCaptain
Jimster
Bloodshot
Moshmen
Beachwalker
Dirtbag
bunkerking

uhm...... probably 90000404949 other people that i just cant remember to mention(you know who u are).

This is the list of people that have tried to help me change something so simple, watering habits. Its been a couple months here now, and im STILL Working on the same issue i had here on day one. No, im not saying that list of people didnt help, im saying i just cant fucking get it, its getting discouraging. I literally have a team and more of people that have gone out of there way to help, and i just cant fucking get it. It makes you really not want to do the shit anymore, but.... You should know how i am by now.. and i continue to say it.. and will try to continue to say it......But im not giving up... as much as i want to.. i wont.. i just wont give up.

I have an ed rosenthal book, but it doesnt go to much into watering. I need like a in depth guide on watering. :(

O worries man ur being to hard on urself we have all done it ! More than once !

 

[CosmoGrows]

O worries man ur being to hard on urself we have all done it ! More than once !

Its like 3 months of a stupid watering issue that i cant seem to fucking grasp. -.- Its just very frustrating sometimes. Lol, i always get back up for another punch, im never down for the Ten count. sometimes like an 8 count. But i get back up.

 

[Hidd3nGr0w]

I have some Sweet Soma Seeds, im going to be germinating and planting in plastic pots in pure root organics. going to steer away from the fabric also as i watered qwith 1/4 of a gallon of water in 1 gallon pot, and i had about 50% of it become run-off due to water pouring out of the sides. so 1/4 of a gallon of water in a 1 gallon pot. 50% runs out of the sides, leaving like an 1/8th of the pot sizes water in the pot.


Plants overwatered.
I cant even give the plant 1/8th of its pot size without drooping.

Im starting to think you guys dont actually give your plants water because water just doesnt work. What do you guys give em? soda? Chocolate milk? Thinking about grilling a steak, cutting it into cubes amending it in the soil and seeing if the dumb plant likes that. (Lmao... ugh....)

Before you ditch the plant you are talking about do this. If your new plastic pots are bigger than the 1 gallon fabric it is in, up pot your plant and just switch to the Roots Organics soil and get your plant into a new home. When you remove it from the 1 gallon, take time to pour some water over the root ball, no nutes, just ph'd tap water to try to expose some roots. Then put it in the new pot and water it in using a water bottle. Slow pouring it in the get all the air out and get the roots reset. Usually about 1/4 of pot capacity.

Then walk away from it. Don't touch it, don't move it, don't turn it. Just leave it alone and let it recover. In a week you, should be able to give it a small water and see it come back to life. Do your self a favor and go buy a gallon of milk, drink it or pour it down the drain, and buy a bottle of water. Now you have what you need to replicate your waterings EVERY TIME. No more guessing. when it comes to water amounts or nutrient mixing.

You got this Cozmo, I would not ditch that plant till it turned completely brown from stalk to stem, you do have others growing and almost ready to go in flower. The knowledge you gain from this is something you will not find in a book.

 

[CosmoGrows]

Before you ditch the plant you are talking about do this. If your new plastic pots are bigger than the 1 gallon fabric it is in, up pot your plant and just switch to the Roots Organics soil and get your plant into a new home. When you remove it from the 1 gallon, take time to pour some water over the root ball, no nutes, just ph'd tap water to try to expose some roots. Then put it in the new pot and water it in using a water bottle. Slow pouring it in the get all the air out and get the roots reset. Usually about 1/4 of pot capacity.

Then walk away from it. Don't touch it, don't move it, don't turn it. Just leave it alone and let it recover. In a week you, should be able to give it a small water and see it come back to life. Do your self a favor and go buy a gallon of milk, drink it or pour it down the drain, and buy a bottle of water. Now you have what you need to replicate your waterings EVERY TIME. No more guessing. when it comes to water amounts or nutrient mixing.

You got this Cozmo, I would not ditch that plant till it turned completely brown from stalk to stem, you do have others growing and almost ready to go in flower. The knowledge you gain from this is something you will not find in a book.

And this is why i always get back up for the next punch. LOL. The knowledge is great, you guys already provide great steps to take. Ill try it man! not going to throw away an idea or anything. I got you, ill start using these bottles i got for my waterings instead of my green plant watering can. i probably should have done this awhile ago.

I dont chuck any plant until i feel 100% that its a goner, i mean, i just saved my biggest one, and shes doing great, so thats another reason why i wont give up, i guess i have gotten somewhere...... it just doesnt feel like it. feels like i take a step forward and then ten more back.

 

[bunkerking]

Ive grown 1 dried oz this entire year. and killed about 6 plants relearning stuff.

not that this is the most comforting thing to say but... now look at me. :)

I fought nectar for the gods nutes and coco for so long.
Never could get enough mag into it.

Why did i fail so hard for so long?

ignorance.


and cold water lol.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Ed rosenthal or jorge? Im grabbing one off amazon as we speak.
If i didnt have prior positive results with roots organics, i would not be making this switch. I have new seeds, new plastic pots and new methods help remotivate.

I like the jorje book for growing, nutrient and water/soil info and the rosenthal book for systems and technical info.

The jorje book has some misinformation from old school growers but is mostly an excellent guide and easy to read in my opinion. I followed it on my first grow ever and was pretty successful. Got 15 oz dry really nice buds from 5 northern light autos under a 400mh and then a 600hps in happy frog soil and 25% added perlite mix.

 

[707finisher]

I like the jorje book for growing, nutrient and water/soil info and the rosenthal book for systems and technical info.

The jorje book has some misinformation from old school growers but is mostly an excellent guide and easy to read in my opinion. I followed it on my first grow ever and was pretty successful. Got 15 oz dry really nice buds from 5 northern light autos under a 400mh and then a 600hps in happy frog soil and 25% added perlite mix.

how Important is air temp and humidity, I know you keep a consistent environment pretty good.

What about water temp and ph? I am realizing vinegar is a bad ph tool, it’s not stable enough, I only ph water for the clone machine, my nutes bring my water to 6.5-6.8 naturally. It’s 7-7.2.

I use a 200ml syringe with a long tube to water, it’s really slow some of my pots take 8-10 syringes to have enough runoff, even the small 3 inch pots will take a full 200 ml for runoff.

But it forces me to water slowly, i don’t squirt it out forcefully I run it gently around the plant, I don’t see much run off out the sides of my fabric pots this way, I stop watering when it comes out the sides, and slow down more, it’s easy to get dry pockets. All of my plants harvested have had dry pockets. Every one!

It takes me a couple hours to water my plants, and I don’t have a whole bunch. Well, during that time I’m also looking the plants over for bugs, balls, mold, getting a feel of what they need, telling them they are pretty and doing a great job lol. I also use the same nutes for everything, but I add different amounts of nutes along with the water for each plant now.

 

[707finisher]

Brevity, sorry not my strong point

 

[MIMedGrower]

how Important is air temp and humidity, I know you keep a consistent environment pretty good.

What about water temp and ph? I am realizing vinegar is a bad ph tool, it’s not stable enough, I only ph water for the clone machine, my nutes bring my water to 6.5-6.8 naturally. It’s 7-7.2.

I use a 200ml syringe with a long tube to water, it’s really slow some of my pots take 8-10 syringes to have enough runoff, even the small 3 inch pots will take a full 200 ml for runoff.

But it forces me to water slowly, i don’t squirt it out forcefully I run it gently around the plant, I don’t see much run off out the sides of my fabric pots this way, I stop watering when it comes out the sides, and slow down more, it’s easy to get dry pockets. All of my plants harvested have had dry pockets. Every one!

It takes me a couple hours to water my plants, and I don’t have a whole bunch. Well, during that time I’m also looking the plants over for bugs, balls, mold, getting a feel of what they need, telling them they are pretty and doing a great job lol. I also use the same nutes for everything, but I add different amounts of nutes along with the water for each plant now.

I keep temp and humidity stable for my whole house with 70 pint dehumidifiers and a 6 gallon humidifier. I want the veg tent with t-5 flourescents 72-74 degrees and the flower room 75-77. I read light intensity should dictate temps so I kind of follow that.

Humidity for the whole house and open basement is 45-60%.

I water with a 20oz plastic cup i find i can control coverage over the pot well with it.

I scratch the surface up and then I pour 2 cups gently and evenly first to get the soil wet and absorbent. Then just evenly water til runoff.

I like to wet the soil with a couple cups fresh water before fertilizing too.

 

[Hidd3nGr0w]

I keep temp and humidity stable for my whole house with 70 pint dehumidifiers and a 6 gallon humidifier. I want the veg tent with t-5 flourescents 72-74 degrees and the flower room 75-77. I read light intensity should dictate temps so I kind of follow that.

Humidity for the whole house and open basement is 45-60%.

I water with a 20oz plastic cup i find i can control coverage over the pot well with it.

I scratch the surface up and then I pour 2 cups gently and evenly first to get the soil wet and absorbent. Then just evenly water til runoff.

I like to wet the soil with a couple cups fresh water before fertilizing too.

Great info MMG, right on point.

The only reason I use the bottled water bottle to water is because its a pint and makes for easy math for watering. 8 pints = 1 gallon

I use dry amendments so I don't have to mix a lot of nutes. Only thing I actually mix is Mammoth P (I use to recharge microbes not every feeding and I know that's not how they say to use it, but I like the results I get over when I did not use it) and started using Epsom Salts again in 1 gallon milk jugs.

 

[bunkerking]

I think the question really depends on where in the range you fall.

Example: my rh rarely goes below mid 40s. Never above 60.

My winter temps are almost too low. In the tent it's 70. But outside mid/low 60s.
It's low 30s outdoors.

All semi acceptable.

My water temp I have to monitor. It's freezing cold. Always have to bump it up with warm water. Being I fight cold weather. It's the one thing I gotta be anal about.

That's and drying bud. Air flow control and rh management. So important.

The rest... meh if it's within range of being acceptable. Fuck adding more work.

The super important things depend on your climate and setup.


Keep it simple. More work doesn't always mean more weight.

 

[CosmoGrows]

Alright, so its about eh 6 days later. I watered this girl last on christmas eve, the 24th. its the morning of the 30th. i just gave her water. The pot was light, and she was WILTING. Heres the specs:

3 gallon pot
Last watered 6 days ago on the 24th of december. The last WATERING BEFORE That was ROUGHLY, eh... the 15-16th of december, it was overwatered and i had to let her dry. Hence why the dry time was cut down. In my opinion.

What i did:
i took 1 GALLON of water,i mixed 1/8th of the recommended nute dosage for floranova grow. i watered her with roughly 3/4ths of a gallon. with about a QUARTER gallon at a time. i waited about 10 minutes in between each pour, as i went rearranged the tent, i checked for bugs, got rid of the stupid sticky traps ull see in the pics, im bug free for right now. i just did some side things. Im even typing this post as i wait for the second plants water to seep in.

BEFORE THE WATERING:

very dry, and wilting!

What i used to water^^^^^^^

What i had left!^^^^

RUNOFF, YES I KNOW, NOT VERY MUCH!! (The bucket is TILTED!) (5 gallon bucket)

After the watering: I may have to add a little more now that i look at the pictures i took, i see some dry spotting.
OPinions?

 

[Hidd3nGr0w]

Sit back and let it do its thing. Not a lot of run off after 6 days I bet it was gasping for air. Give it 4-6 hours before you go back and look. Should see improvement. Then pour in whats left of the gallon jug and leave it be till tomorrow.

 

[Hidd3nGr0w]

Oh yeah, when she recovers put her in flower, she getting big!

 

[CosmoGrows]

Sit back and let it do its thing. Not a lot of run off after 6 days I bet it was gasping for air. Give it 4-6 hours before you go back and look. Should see improvement. Then pour in whats left of the gallon jug and leave it be till tomorrow.

Got you! I figured, 1 gallon to 3 gallon pot would fill out the formula u gave me earlier, for 1/3 of the pots size. I left 1/4 gallon left just incase i didnt do enough, or did need to add a little extra. I did use a quarter gallon to water my 1 gallon pots. They seemed to have turned out nice, i mean, its only been about 30 mins, but my plants would usually already curl up and show signs. so were off on a right path so far.

 

[Hidd3nGr0w]

You should probably start training her. Start tying branches the the sides of your pot, You can use safety pins to hold to the sides through the fabric